Fabian Doman: "Cristina was not going to debate with Macri because she did not feel at her level"

"It surprises me and continues to surprise me how powerful the brand is Intratables"said Fabian Doman, new cycle driver America which returns to the screen this Monday, ready to become the most important political program of television, in an election year.

The person in charge of the convocation was the director of programming, Liliana Parodi. "My answer was," Are you convinced that it's me? He replied, "I'm calling …" "No, no, I've asked you if you're convinced. "Of course, I'm against, yes, I will not call you." It was at five o'clock in the afternoon, a day and a half later, we were signing. It was very fast, "recalls the journalist, who left the driving position We in the morning, in The thirteen, to be the one who eventually replaces Santiago del Moro. "The negotiation lasted less than 48 hours, if it had not been IntratablesI would have said no. "

"In We in the morning It was very good, with a very good impact on the public, "says the cycle of KZO which will continue with the conduction of Pollo Álvarez. "I am very happy that it continues, I feel like a son and we always want a child to follow, beyond one, it was expensive, it was very hard at first, we would meet in August in five years ".

"They are incorporated Country of Ernestina and Luis Bremer", Doman advances on IntratablesWhat promises more change: "We are talking about the most important political program of our country, and this program will include a scenography based on that," adds the journalist proudly.

– What politicians have you called saying that they want to be?

– Several, several (laughs), which caught my attention. The day when the news took place (of his incoporación), I will have received 120, 130 calls. I called two friends and told them, "You are from before, you believed in me while it was not today." It's not that I make the difference, but I do it.

-In addition to being IntratablesWe are in an election year.

-Yes, where also The President is elected in a very particular context of social, economic and political crisis. With enormous uncertainty in everything, both in economics and politics. We do not know what will happen in November, December or October. We do not know what will happen in half an hour.

– You are going to Intratables with your vote decided or do you think something can change? Well, we still do not know who the candidates are …

-No, I guess Cristina (Kirchner) is a candidate andMauricio) Macri as well. For all the badyzes, I start from this premise: I think that both will be candidates. I think we have all voted since the year 83 so far. I have a problem: I see all the virtues and all the faults. I do not think there is a government that has done everything right, nor a government that has done everything wrong. With which I can give you the virtues of Cristina and the negative things of Cristina; Macri virtues and Macri negative things. I can tell you good things about (Sergio) Mbada orRoberto) Lavagnaand at the same time tell you bad things about both. That's why I feel comfortable in the format Intratables.

-It seems that today it is very difficult: everything is white or everything is black.

-It is difficult if you do militant journalism. What we need to rediscover is the possibility of dialogue. The crack has decades in Argentina, with moments of falling and rising moments. I have a grandfather who lost his job because he was a Peronist and a grandmother who lost her job because she was anti-Peronist. I started reading newspapers at the age of 5 because at my house they were talking politics all day. I have lived in my family what it was like to be one thing or to be the other, and the consequences that it had. The crack is now back in the worst sense, returned with the Kirchnerwith a philosopher (Nestor) Kirchner and Cristina has consumed a lot, Laclauwho said you built and built the power of confrontation. There are other politicians like Barack Obama this power built by consensus: you are president and you name the ministers of your adversaries; who made Obama with Hillary Clinton. Macri followed that, Duran Barba He took Laclau and said, "Well, let's do the same thing on the other side." We then have two very strong personalities, Macri and Cristina, who nourish and legitimize power, perform it and develop at the expense of confrontation. That's why we live in a state of confrontation. This is not an error.

– Cristina's book is launching the campaign?

Yes I read it completely, the 594 pages. Nobody does this book if he is not a candidate.

-And what did you think of the book?

-A national channel written in 594 pages.

– Were you the ones you liked these national channels?

-No, I bored like crazy.

– Then the book bored you like crazy.

-No, notice that I read it almost in a day and a little more. He has everything, He has good games, bad games, real games, fake games, real stories, untrue stories, interesting stories, very specific omissions that suit him., parts that you do not believe, moments in which you say "changed!", times in which you say "nothing has changed …". The book is like her.

-When did one area of ​​Argentina start thinking that "they are flying but they are doing it" was good?

-What was with the re-election of Menem in 1995, the "vote of the mixers".

-What is still heard today, there are those who say: "Kirchnerism flew but we were better".

– Do you know why that is? Because all the governments who arrive do not speak well of the preceding one, but that, to speak badly of the preceding one, have only one bullet, you do not have two; that is to say you only have to say one thing. Macrism speaks badly of kirchnerism because the mega-question is corruption. Then, It was left out that Cristina's second government was not a good government. He had mistakes, chains, stocks; I can mention 500 things. Cristina is not discussed as president, but if Kirchnerism has stolen. And that finally benefits Cristina because the moral vote in Argentina has a ceilingThis is not a majority vote, even if it costs you to say it and there are people who get angry. Even more in a context of economic and social crisis. Durán Barba said two weeks ago in a report: "Hitting Cristina for corruption makes him go up in the polls."

-The book you understand as a campaign launch. And Macri, will he be the candidate?

-Today, when we record this, yes. Let's talk about the counterfactual: (Maria Eugenia) Vidal. First, Vidal does not want to be a candidate. This is a person who has built his career on the principle of speech, who does not complain about corruption and who is looking for what he said five years ago and who says today. the same thing. That's why she is what she is and she is the political leader of the best image in Argentina. And Vidal was clear: "I'm not going to be a presidential candidate."

-Although Macri asks you?

– I do not think that happens, I do not think Macri asks. Suppose Vidal is a candidate: Macri asks for it; Vidal agrees. Two very large hypothesesbut suppose that they happen. We must change everything: we must change the cabinet, the economic plan, bring in a new Minister of the Economy. Then, in Vidal the first day, you will applaud, the second, you will look good and the third day, you will ask him: "And you, what do you think of the dollar, inflation?" ; "Candidate, what will you be doing tomorrow's inflation?" And Vidal will answer: "I do not rule Argentina, I am responsible for the province of Buenos Aires." Then. would require a change of matrix PRO and change that I do not think nor want to change.

-What will happen to the rest of Peronism?

"Are not they going to accompany Cristina?

-Yes, I think the interior will eventually accompany it. They say that what they need is a national poll because they want their MPs and Senators to be elected to Congress and that they lobby the central government for resources. .

– What will happen to Lavagna? And with Mbada?

-There is a part of the electorate that does not want Cristina or Macri; Now, it is not clear to me how much. And how many are Mbada and Lavagna. We can open the polls and get 5%, they can take 10%, 20%; Or maybe they get 25%. Today, it is indecipherable.

-I do not see him as a candidate. In addition, I talked a lot with him: I do not see him. As Facundo Manes: they are not people at the moment in Argentina.

-You imagine a campaign debate between Macri and Cristina?

-No, because Cristina is not going to go. Note the day I told you: I I do not think Cristina gets into a debate with Macri. If in the book he says he could not give him the band and cane and say "See you later," imagine it for an hour in a debate … it will not work. I do not think Cristina participates in the legal debates in Argentina. God wants me to be wrong, huh. Today, I do not see it in a debate. She does not feel at the level of Macri.

– Do you feel superior to Macri?

Different. I do not see her sitting …

-If the core members of Cristina criticize Macri's oratory and communication strategy, it should even be nice to see her arguing with him. But this person does not agree to participate in a debate, she tells me that this person is scared.

-Cristina is hypnotically television: you look at it. It's a character. There is a moment when you enter the character category, and Cristina is a TV character. You keep looking at her to speak well or to speak badly. Many to speak badly, some to love it, others to hate it; but that does not go unnoticed. It would be a shame not to debate because it would be a wonderful TV show. I do not know if it will be used to decide the vote, but as a television show, it's spectacular. (Donald) Trump-Hillary was an amazing thing on TV.

– Macri thought it was going to be easier?

Yes Kirchnerism has left the economy in an intensive care ward with a machine that gave you an artificial respirator, which breathed for you, with a machine that liquefied your blood. With vital help. They were watching you all the time, the pulse, the pressure, you were eating with serum, you were not walking. And came macrismo and said: "Ah, but the patient sees me and that's all". Y all offline. That was the release of stocks, with a dollar to 9 pesos who believed that he was 16 years old and that it was at 9. So, now we try to hand over to the patient all the machines that he had in December 2015. We are with Price Caring, Essential Prices, Now 12. We are returning to the hospital to allow us to benefit from the intensive care room and hand over all the machines.

-The latest measures announced by Macrismo …

-They are more Kiciloff than Dujovne.

– Gasoline subsidies slow the rise in transport, essential prices. They do not seem ideologically measures very close to the oficialismo.

-No but When you have to win an election, do anything. Sell ​​reserves to support the exchange rate …

– Do you have any idea what will happen in October?

-No! It's a match. It will be the same as Boca and River in the Madrid final: elongated, eternal, discussed, debated …

– Try to avoid the part of the micro-stone.

-Well, there will be a part of the microphone. And it will also be a match of these finals Grand Slam, Wimbledon, Roland Garros: a final five-sets and tie-break. Do not ask us how we are as a country; we will see. The year 2015 was a year of hope, expectations, utopia in the full sense of the word, even of those who voted for (Daniel) Scioli. Something new was coming: one country ended and another started. 2019 is a year of disappointment. We are disappointed

-The only alternatives are Macri or Cristina?

-C & # 39; is a debate between the recent past and the present: the future word does not appear in either of the two. One has to wonder why the appearance of a third party is so expensive. Does society want a third party? Because if that does not seem, it's because society does not want it. That's why I said: let's wait for the OSPP urns to come out and see if society wants a third way, a third position. According to what the interviewers tell you, it seems like no.

– Who do you see potential?

– I love both, I love Mbada and Lavagna. I'm sorry if they are separated because it seems to me that both are very good, both.

-Excellent candidate, but they offer so many things that it's not clear to me that they are offered. I think they're using it. This is a very good candidate, in a country with few candidates who have a good image, he is one of them.

-The province walked it a lot, literally. We need to see if a Cristina-Kiciloff-Máximo ballot, because the first candidate for the deputation would be Máximoif she totally agrees. Peronism supports him, perhaps in the midst of a more clbadical Peronist governor.

– What year is waiting for you.

-C is a wonderful and extraordinary year.

– I started reading newspapers at 5 years old. Whether I'm doing a program or not politically, I'm always on the lookout, I'm always talking, I'm always looking for information, sometimes not because I use it necessarily, or to write it or to write l & # 39; have; In certain circumstances, in recent years, I have not done so much politics. And sometimes too you must show in your career a driver aspect that is not necessarily a political factor. I could prove it, the public accompanied me, which is the most complicated. And now I'm back to what I am.