Juan Cabandié, thoughtful: "We can not do politics like in the 70s"

Based on the philosophy that "it is possible to transform all the time" and to "transform", the Juan Cabandié, Member of Parliament for Buenos Aires ensure that everyone's Front is ready to rule again. "Honestly, I think these four years have led us to consider a lot of things we could be wrong about," he said. "Our experience is that we ruled for twelve years, the good that we had done was destroyed overnight because we did good things."

Interviewed by Jorge Fontevecchia in your program Pure journalism (Net TV), the reference of Kirchnerism reflects the past and the methods of politics of the 1970s. "We were pbadionate," he said, acknowledging the need to "think that society as a whole does not have to be". is not politicized like us. " Presenting himself as moderate, the former member of La Cámpora believes that "We must live" with what they do not think in the same way and that "politics can not be done as in the 70s".

Then, a fragment of the interview:

– Copenhagen wrote in "The World as Will and Representation" that without this impulse, there would be no world. But how do you control aggression so that it does not lead to violence?

– According to the badytical point of view, I think that there are mechanisms of sublimation to transform the negative so that it does not lead to problems that harm the rest.

– Turn anger into positive action.

-Exactly. My involvement or the coverage I got with grandmothers and collaborating to find other grandchildren was a hello, a travel route that helped me a lot, was another great help to sublimate and put forward this negative charge, this anger that I had. When I discovered my identity, I wondered why I had to go through those 25 years so bad, so horrible, with so much violence on the part of this man, if I should never have been in this world. House? That happened, of course. And wish the hug of my parents and know that they will not be, that I will not have it. Nestor has opened a very important door to channel all this. And grandmothers too. Then, from these foundations, we build a family, its link with politics, with the children themselves. I can say that politics has saved me.

It was therapeutic.

Absolutely. It was therapeutic. Yes

– Kirchnerism in the last stage was exceeded in this aggressiveness. Is it expected that a Kirchnerism will come with less conflict?

"I would not talk about aggression about the past." I think it was rather vehement. We were pbadionate. And I claim pbadion in politics. But I must also think and badyze that society as a whole is not politicized like us. And maybe we were wrong at one point to think or diagnose that everyone had to have the same pbadion as us.

"If there is a similar intensity in the pbadion of the other side, we are facing a dangerous conflict.

Absolutely. In the previous decade, there was another paradigm: presence and absence. If you were by my side, you were present and if you were not by my side, I had to make you absent, I had to leave you. Today we live together. In this paradigm, we must all live together: those who think in totally different ways from us and we only have to live with them. And challenge, contest the election and also accept the other.

– How many years of psychobadysis do you have?

-From 19 years old.

– Sigmund Freud badociated aggression with the drive of tanhatos opposed to the drive of eros, but not devoid of eroticism at the moment of throwing because there is a discharge. Pleasure as the end of displeasure when the tension accumulates. When you had such a vehement attitude, was there no personal satisfaction?

-We are crossed by different variables. Some time ago, I told you that I always tried to differentiate myself from the person who raised me. I was raised in contexts of violence.

"Until you are about to enter a military college, induced by that person."

"Yes, at the military high school." I even did a preparatory academy. The past conditions you, but does not determine you.

Jean Paul Sartre said that we are free to do with us what others have done with us first. But we still have free will.

"If everything were determined in advance, there would be no possibility of transformation." There is opportunity to transform all the time. Even to transform. This is where the intelligence of men and women is played: the alternative is to review what we did well and what we did wrong. Also to change and modify them. Honestly, I think these four years have gone through a lot of things that could deceive us. Our experience is that we reign twelve years. The good we had done was destroyed in one night. Because we have done good things.

"There is no government that has done something good."

"But we did a lot of good things." These good things were destroyed overnight. What we can think about today is that with this experience, we must understand that if we are to govern, we must put aside our mistakes and improve what we have done. Life is dynamic As Heraclitus would say: "Nobody bathes twice in the same river". Not only because the water changes, but because we are different at each stage. So, this prospect of having been and reviewing our mistakes, I think this has to make us better.

"Does Kirchnerism enter a process of maturity?"

"I always say that there is a" Tabaré moment "and a" Mujica moment ". And that we must interpret that correctly. Perhaps there are moments of further progress and perhaps moments of consolidation of progress. There are higher and more balanced moments to consolidate what has been done. If we propose it, we have a great opportunity: to define our development model, considering the different scenarios and variables of Argentina. If we can consolidate our development model and put the country on the path of growth, it should be forever. However, this definition is not yet fixed: we are still in the debate on: industry or sector, finance or not.

"It's Máximo Kirchner who asked me to contact Alberto Fernández in 2016"

– It is clear that no one has had economic success in Argentina. This is probably one of the problems that prevents this Hegelian synthesis.

-We have one element in favor: having governed twelve years and learned from mistakes. To this we can add two important questions, which are also in principle primary, but we can industrialize them: lithium and the dead cow.

-Friedrich Nietzsche. Talk about "love fati", love as a kind of destiny. Do you have the feeling of having had a moment of action without calculation, without thinking?

"It is not in my mind to theorize so much on this subject, but it seems to me that what moved us was the engine of life." Pbadion also leads you to make mistakes under this life swing.

– In seeking this motor of life, you have sometimes done the opposite.

-Yes There may be errors along the way. When I speak of dynamism, I speak of general well-being, of rights.

"The opposite of the death drive."

-Yes

Not only you, but also that of Pedro, Wado, was the victim of the death of his parents under the dictatorship. This left a mark: two of the four members of La Cámpora's management were in the same situation.

– It seems to me that it is an age-related problem. We are a generation that touches us, we must be children of missing.

But in society as a whole, you are an exception.

"It's not the same thing with Peronism, which is undergoing the last dictatorship." It has to do with that. But if you tell me, in this further badysis that the approach was that of a Setentist group, I do not agree. You can not do politics like in the 70s.

"Should they defeat the setentism?"

The 70s were more than forty years ago. This does not mean that I am calling for principles, that it condemns those who provoked enforced disappearances.

"Stop in time would relaunch the error?"

"It would be a bad nostalgia."

Read the full interview here