The United States and Spain open a dialogue to house the leaders of Chavismo

"I would say that there was what I would call a preliminary conversation with Spain, with the idea of: is it plausible? Is it in the realm of the possible?" " Abrams said in an interview published today by the Madrid newspaper El País.

"And I think the answer we received is "Well, we should see who and under what conditions""he added.

Abrams continued: "We do not know, but if we get into these conversations, and I think we will, with people from the regime who want to leave, we will come back to the Spanish government and we can say: this guy says he will go with his family if he can go to Spain, but he does not want to go to Moscow, but we are not there yet. "

He did not answer directly whether this "preliminary conversation" with Spain included the case of Maduro, even though he was adamant in stating that "There is no direct conversation with Maduro."

"Our point of view is that Maduro has to leave" He maintained and continued: "We can not see that he can preside over a democratic transition and we can not see free elections with Maduro, I would say that I hope to have this conversation with Spain or Spain. from other countries. "

When asked if it was possible for Maduro to live in a country with Spain without problems of justice, Abrams replied: "Well, no, there are several considerations here, one of them is Spain, what the Spanish government thinks, what it wants, another, what are the US sanctions and the charges. "

"Some members of the regime are facing charges and there is an international court of justice.If their main concern is that they will have to travel to a country like Turkey or Russia, I think , they will not be brought before the international court, and in this case Spain would not be where they would like to go, but we are not there yet. " he added.

In the opinion of the American diplomat, "Spain is sort of a logical destination for some people of the regime" because "nobody wants to live in Russia or Cuba", even though they are Chavismo's main allies, but rather "Presumably, they would like to go, some of them, to a country where spanish is spoken, and it 's a wonderful place.

In addition, according to Abrams, many hierarchies of Chavismo "They already have their families and their money in Spain, so for them it makes sense that they want to join their families and their bank accounts."

According to the official, Chavez leaders who could benefit from a relocation agreement in another country would range between 10 and 20, according to El País.