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"I am not worried about Greek-Russian relations, I am concerned about a turnaround in our country," Foreign Minister Nikos Kotzias said in an interview with the Foreign Ministry. in the REA, adding that "on the one hand, they use a hate speech for the interior of the country and to small countries such as the future of North Macedonia, the l? Albania, etc. " and on the other hand, when big countries break our rules, they say we have to tolerate and weaken. "
" Our country is determined to send a message to the East and West, to all our friends and not, that for those who violate the principles of sovereignty and respect towards us, the corresponding measures will be taken. The moment this was considered diplomacy to make the chicken went through. It is a diplomacy for the chicken and not for foreign policy, "he said, questioned about the tension that has existed in recent days in Greek-Russian relations and the visit of the Russian Foreign Minister to Athens, Mr Kotzias stresses in ANA-MPA that he is not worried and expresses the hope that all the problems will be solved with
"Sergei Lavrov, whom I consider as the only one in the world. one of the best diplomats of international caliber and who has a friendly relationship, asked me to invite him. To come to Greece to prepare the trip of Prime Minister Tsipras to Moscow, who invited them again. I have given this invitation if he wants to come, if he does not want to come, he will be welcome again. He believes that he must be identified with those we have deported or those who have not left him in Greece, that is his right. I've tried, as you know and say our announcement, not to identify these bad cases with the official Russia, it's the question of Russia's he wants to identify with or not, "he said.
" I do not worry about Greek-Russian relations, I am concerned about a turnaround in our country when I ask Turkish Cypriot troops to leave Cyprus, they say no, it is not patriotic, there are some left. When I ask to solve the nomenclature, the problem of Skopian, they tell me not to hurry. When I take action against people who violate international law and the rules of hospitality in the country, I am wrong. I do not understand why. Because on the one hand, they use hate speech in the country, and in the case of small countries, it is the future of North Macedonia, Albania and and so on. and on the other hand, when big countries break our rules, they say we have to tolerate and bow. I also said at the meeting of the Scientific Council of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs that they are not patriots but pilgrims.
However, Mr. Kotzias described as "very good" the fact that there were low and cautious voices of the Greek opposition
"The terms of the agreement with Skopje were ripe "
Referring to the Prespa agreement, the Foreign Minister noted that the conditions for resolving the conflict were ripe with" We are told that we are in a hurry. The conditions were mature. Maturity means that what you can do should do it. There is the second school that tells us the problems to get rid of the problems. I ask: do we want a Macedonia under the influence of Turkey or Macedonia that has a friendly relationship with us? That's what we need to answer, not whether we are in a hurry or not. Do we want an FYROM in which Slav fundamentalism will develop and there will be currents of terrorism from the North to Greek Macedonia or do we want to eliminate the causes and possibilities of strengthening Slav fundamentalism and terrorism in our North? Do we want a country that will stabilize and be linked financially, geographically or socially with us or do we want a country that considers us an enemy and looks forward to cooperation with other countries we would not be very happy about? ? "
When asked if it was the best deal that our country could do with Skopje, Mr. Kotzias pointed out," We could do a better deal if you and I were sitting at the House. and we reached an agreement without the other As I said, we would not call it North Macedonia, we would call Northern Alaska. And even if tradition and reluctance to negotiate have not been preceded, all 25 years would have been easier. But we have two problems: first, that the other party must be in agreement, because we did not understand it by the war to dictate what we want. We want the other party to persuade its own society, win a majority in the House, referendum, revise its constitution, do difficult things. "
" We found it more right and we corrected it as much as possible "
" Second, we found it more equitable, and with these achievements, you can only not continue a negotiation without taking them into consideration. What we did was correct them as much as we could. The continuity of the state, which is a coherent principle of international law, exists. First, there was a name change, Northern Macedonia. Some refer to what Zaev says today. But the agreement has not yet been ratified and has not yet begun. Secondly, the agreement should amend Article 49 of the Constitution, which speaks of a Macedonian nation in neighboring countries, namely minorities, and which previous governments have left in the country. interim agreement. Zafef agreed to change and textually copy the Greek Constitution in paragraph 18, which obviously does not refer to minorities in the interior, but refers to the defense and badistance of our expatriate Hellenism and our diaspora. And I totally disagreed with him, copying the very good Greek wording. With respect to borders, a specific paragraph of the agreement refers to the inviolability of borders, but also that we will not allow violence from within our country here or by us there, "says the Minister of Foreign Affairs
. Asked how he interprets the fact that six out of ten Greeks are asked to say "no" to the agreement, Mr. Kotzias emphasizes: "I think that the majority of Greeks, like me, say emotionally that we do not know We have nothing to agree on, and I think that the opposition parties are a bit fed by the lack of a solution, and we have to stand out among those whose specialization is to create problems, such as the current opposition – ND and PASOK who led the country for decades after the junta collapsed – and those who provide the solution to the problems.The country needs the second, not the first. It's even more difficult, and as I said in my speech at the conference, if you do nothing in foreign policy, there's usually no question, but once you start to solve the problems, everyone says it could have been a better or worse, but I deeply believe that with actions such as the conference of the Scientific Council of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and that is why I do not speak of the media that I have mentioned the Greek people will better understand their interests. In addition, they say terrible things. For example, a lady told me in the street: "Do not be ashamed to give in Thessaloniki the capital of Skopje state". Pumpkins, stupid things, silly things. But as the Greeks say, do you know what is inconceivable in our country? malice and lack of correct information. It is not up to the woman to blame, it is they who deliberately, to favor their opposition, undermine an agreement that, as you will see, valid foreign newspapers call it a masterpiece of 39, diplomatic agreement. "
" All official documents Macedonia "
Asked if the agreement could provide the name of Macedonians as Macedonians or" Macedonians of the North "and not as they want, the Foreign Minister notes:" Attention, we must distinguish breeds: Officially, and institutions will go forward, throughout the whole term North Macedonia. But if you think that I can impose on every citizen to be called North Macedonian, I will ask you the following simple question: He is a resident of Skopje and tells his girlfriend that he is Macedonian. What will we do now? Are we going to put in place a metaphysical state that will put him in prison? What we have said is that the citizens of this country have the right to define themselves as they want. It's a global right that we can not change. But at the same time, we can tell them how we want. We can tell them in their Slavic name, we can talk about the Slavo-Macedonian language, the Slavo-Macedonian nation.
When we move to the individual level, only a totalitarian state and a dictatorial state can control how this person will be called informal. In the identity of the state, however, the institutional identity, everything will be called North Macedonia. In other words, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs will not be a Macedonian or Macedonian Foreign Ministry. It will be the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Northern Macedonia. The school will be the North Macedonia School. But you can not force people to leave the institutional system and the public space to define themselves. The other wants to be self-clbadified "here are the Balkans and do not laugh", as someone said "we are Eastern" or others say "we are Westerners" . Should we start punishing them and putting them in jail? And what do we decide? Are we Western or Eastern or are we mixing? People are self-determined as they want … "
We ensure the abolition of irredentism
" In a negotiation, you make a compromise. They are called "Macedonian citizens of northern Macedonia". Until now, they have traveled to Greece and travel with travel documents as "Macedonians". And all those who criticize the case do as if they forgot about it or did not know it. And the question is not how we want to tell them, but based on their own needs and their own needs, the question is: are you better Macedonians or citizens of northern Macedonia? It is the alternative. And, of course, the name "Citizens of North Macedonia" is much better. And you should always remember that we did not make war on them, we did not understand them, we did not impose an occupation constitution, but we did a friendly negotiation. And we took the gentleman for us, which was the abolition of irredentism, the recognition of borders, the recognition that there are no minority rights in Greece and the claims, the recognition that they must change their name in North Macedonia, the recognition that it should be for all purposes, the recognition that they will have to make constitutional changes …
L & # 39; agreement is between two states. It does not bind people and individuals. Let me give you an example: in the interim agreement, it is said that it is forbidden to manifest irresponsibility on both sides. In the protest that took place here at the Constitution and the protest held in Thessaloniki, part of the far right – not the simple world that worried and behaved well – was says, "Bring us arms to enter Skopje. What is it? Is not it irresponsible? And the parties and cities that supported these events have left me a question. Why did not they condemn these slogans? Do some people in Greece shout "bring weapons to Skopje"? In other words, if we heard such slogans during demonstrations in Turkey, Istanbul, Ankara, would not we consider it a challenge? Would not we denounce such annoying phenomena? How do we allow such "rights" that we do not give to others? I have not heard to be honest about such slogans in Skopje
Irritation – and Professor Marilena Koppa rightly said at the conference – is ready to re-access the lost lands. Salvation means, first, that you have land claims and, second, that these claims will be implemented by all means. I do not see any more land claims. From morning to night, that's what Zaev says. Now, if there are stupid opposition protesters or people who do business with them and say that it is irrelevant, companies have to act, well sure, not repressive. Measures are, for example, what we plan to change in books. The process has already begun since July 17, a month after the start of the agreement to establish and set up scientific teams on this issue. Salvation is also that they have claimed our inheritance, the ancient Greek.
The name of Skopje airport has already been changed, it has become the international airport of Skopje, it has changed the road connecting its borders with Skopje, statues or already declbadified or degraded. I think all these issues are very serious because we are struggling with the Zaeffe government to end the poisoning of the world by fanaticisms that have no place in the world today. ; hui. We want friendship. We want the common path to contribute to the development of this region and this region will contribute to the development of all the Balkans … If you read books such as Michalis Papakonstantinou of New Democracy and Mr. Skillikakis, Secretary General of the party of Mrs. Bakoyannis and Former General Secretary here at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, you will see what they all say. Twenty-five years ago, unfortunately, we did not dare to change the world and instead of dealing with the main problems, we talked about formal and formal problems. And, unfortunately, we did not have the impression that we needed the northern neighbor to make us our best friend and pbad it without understanding the changes made in the world. But there is no difference between the current policy towards Skopje and the national line drawn by former Prime Minister Costas Karamanlis in 2008 in Belgrade? We asked Mr. Kotzias: "Kostas Karamanlis said in 2008 that he should change the name of the country we call the FYROM to date, change the name." He did not change the name, he could not enter NATO.The name is now changing.The process and negotiation of Bucharest did not contain name negotiation nor draft agreement.It is another I do not let this country enter into an organization and another thing that we both do. "Bucharest was not a proposal to agree Bucharest
Solution on behalf of products
Asked about the disputes and protests expressed by northern entrepreneurs of Greece on what to do with the name of the products. "To be honest, more objections are heard by the men of In Athens. Because the Thessaloniki businessmen, as you saw at the conference that the Prime Minister had raised, welcomed the agreement. And why did they welcome it? Because some people see the products of the neighboring country have been named up to here products … from northern Alaska and they are suddenly called products of Northern Macedonia. Bad and wrong. The products of this country have so far been called "Macedonian products". And now, as soon as the agreement starts and is ratified, it will be called products of North Macedonia.
When asked if there is a time horizon for this, he says: "Automatically will be for the products of northern Macedonia.What they want a time to solve, these are the products themselves, not their country of origin, their production.Because there are in Greece products that are rightly called Macedonian products and Macedonian products, Also called "Macedonians." There are 3,500 companies on both sides – those registered by the University of Thessaloniki and we have the study here – bearing the inscription "Macedonian." Γι 'αυτό είπαμε ότι θα φτιάξουμε μια επιτροπή υπό την εποπτεία της Ευρωπαϊκής Ένωσης και του ΟΗΕ. Κράτος-μέλος της Ευρωπαϊκής Ένωσης είμαστε εμείς. Δεν ανησυχούμε. Να σας πω και το άλλο, αυτά τα προϊόντα δε ν είχαν αυτούς τους τίτλους μέχρι τώρα. Τώρα πάμε να το ρυθμίσουμε. Να το λύσουμε. Αυτοί οι οποίοι έβλεπαν το πρόβλημα και δεν έκαναν τίποτα βρίζουν τώρα γιατί θέλουμε να το λύσουμε. "
Ερωτηθείς ο υπουργός Εξωτερικών τι τον κάνει να πιστεύει, ότι οι 140 χώρες σε όλο τον κόσμο που έχουν αναγνωρίσει μέχρι σήμερα την πΓΔΜ ως "Μακεδονία" θα αποδεχτούν τη νέα ονομασία, είεπ "Δείτε το βίντεο του BBC το οποίο δείχνει πώς ονόμαζε το BBC την πΓΔΜ πριν από τη συμφωνία και μετά τη συμφωνία . Το BBC, το CNN, όλα τα μεγάλα διεθνή κανάλια πριν από τη συμφωνία λέγανε τη FYROM σκέτα νέτα "Μακεδονία" και στο χάρτη της Ελλάδος δεν υπήρχε Μακεδονία. Μετά τη συμφωνία, η FYROM λέγεται Βόρεια Μακεδονία και στον χάρτη ως Μακεδονία εμφανίζεται η ελληνική Μακεδονία. Και σας ρωτάω, από τον χάρτη που εξαφανίζει την ελληνική Μακεδονία και τα αναφέρει ως "Μακεδονία" τα Σκόπια και το χάρτη που λέει τα Σκόπια Βόρεια Μακεδονία και τη Βόρεια Ελλάδα Μακεδονία, ποια από τα δύο είναι πιο πατριωτικά κοντά μας; … Ακούστε, έχει μεγάλο ενδιαφέρον το χθεσινό γράμμα του Ζάεφ προς το ΝΑΤΟ, που λέει ότι η χώρα κάνει αίτηση να ενταχθεί στο ΝΑΤΟ με το όνομα Βόρεια Μακεδονία. Ποιο κράτος-μέλος του ΝΑΤΟ ή κράτος-μέλος της Ευρωπαϊκής Ένωσης μπορεί να αναφέρει πλέον και στο εξής διαφορετικά ένα κράτος με το όνομα που το ίδιο ζητάει να ενταχθεί; Και το δεύτερο, στις δεσμεύσεις που έχει αναλάβει η πΓΔΜ είναι ότι θα γράψει σε όλα τα κράτη που το έχουν αναγνωρίσει με το σκέτο όνομα "Μακεδονία" ότι το όνομά μας είναι πλέον, λέγομαι Βόρεια Μακεδονία και από σήμερα θέλω να μας αποκαλείται με αυτόν τον τρόπο. Ακόμη και η Τουρκία αν θέλει να εξακολουθήσει να τους λέει σκέτα νέτα "Μακεδονία" πρέπει να παραβιάσει τη συμφωνία στο ΝΑΤΟ, τη συμφωνία στον ΟΗΕ και τις συμφωνίες που κάνει το ίδιο το κράτος της Βόρειας Μακεδονίας απέναντι σε κάθε τρίτο μέρος.
Η συμφωνία στην ελληνική Βουλή μόλις ολοκληρωθεί η όλη διαδικασία στα Σκόπια
Πόσο ρεαλιστικό είναι, όμως, να πιστεύει κανείς ότι η συμφωνία θα γίνει τελικά δεκτή στην πΓΔΜ, με δεδομένο ότι η τελευταία δημοσκόπηση δείχνει ότι το 54% των κατοίκων της χώρας αυτής αντιτίθεται στη συμφωνία; ρωτήσαμε τον κ.Κοτζιά.
"Το είδα αυτό, αλλά πριν από τρεις ημέρες είχε άλλη δημοσκόπηση που έλεγε ότι το 70% είναι υπέρ της συμφωνίας. Πείτε μου την εταιρεία και τα συμφέροντα που εκπροσωπεί για να σας το σχολιάσω. Η δικιά μου γνώμη είναι ότι η πλειοψηφία του φίλου γειτονικού λαού θέλει να μπει και στο ΝΑΤΟ, να μην πω η απόλυτη πλειοψηφία του αλβανικού τους στοιχείου και η πλειοψηφία του σλαβομακεδονικού θέλει να μπει στο ΝΑΤΟ και στην Ευρωπαϊκή Ένωση. Αν αποφασίσουν να μην μπούνε, δεν το θέλω, δεν το πιστεύω, δεν νομίζω ότι θα γίνει, αλλά αν γινότανε, νομίζω ότι θα είναι φανερό ότι εμείς δεν φταίμε σε κάτι …
Η επικύρωση θα γίνει με το δημοψήφισμα και στη συνέχεια πρέπει να ακολουθήσουν οι συνταγματικές αλλαγές. Πρέπει να καταλάβετε τι δύσκολο πράγμα είναι για μια χώρα να αλλάζει το όνομά της και να αλλάζει και το Σύνταγμά της. Και τι μεγάλη πράξη είναι από την άλλη πλευρά -κάποιοι με βρίσανε επειδή αναγνωρίζω τη δυσκολία τους- είναι δύσκολο πράγμα και το κάνουνε για να έχουν καλές σχέσεις μαζί μας και να έχουν προοπτικές στους ευρωατλαντικούς θεσμούς. Και αν θέλετε, από τη δική τους σκοπιά, θα τα κάνουν όλα αυτά μη γνωρίζοντας στο τέλος τι θα γίνει στην Ελλάδα και αν θα την επικυρώσουμε.
"Όλοι θέλουν να το λύσουμε εμείς το πρόβλημα για να έχουν το δικαίωμα να μας κατηγορούν "
Όσον αφορά στην εκτίμησή του για τη στάση της ελληνικής πλευράς, είπε ότι" νομίζω ότι μόλις επικυρωθεί στην πΓΔΜ η αλλαγή του Συντάγματος, την άλλη μέρα πρέπει να έρθει στην ελληνική Βουλή, στην Επιτροπή Εξωτερικών Υποθέσεων και μετά στην Ολομέλεια της Βουλής ". ερωτηθείς αν δεν εγκριθεί στη Βουλή, υπάρει περίπτωση για εκλογές, απαντά "δεν υπάρχει τέτοια περίπτωση" και προσθέτει "είναι στο συμφέρον και των δύο κρατών- και θα το αντιληφθούν οι πλειοψηφίες και στις δύο χώρες- ότι πρέπει να τελειώνουμε με αυτή την ιστορία. Και να σας πω και κάτι: Ακούω πολλή κριτική από την αντιπολίτευση, είπα μια φράση στη Βουλή που θα την επαναλάβω, έχω την αίσθηση ότι όλοι θέλουν να το λύσουμε εμείς το πρόβλημα για να έχουν το δικαίωμα να μας κατηγορούν. . Τους βολεύει αυτό "προσθέτει
Ερωτηθείς για τις αντιδράσεις του κυβερνητικού εταίρου Πάνου Καμμένου λέει" νομίζω ότι δικαιούται να έχει την άποψή του, όπως δικαιούμαι να έχω και εγώ τη δική μου "και προσθέτει" Ας περιμένουμε να δούμε πώς θα εξελιχθούν τα πράγματα. Εγώ πιστεύω ότι όταν θα έρθει η συμφωνία για ψήφιση στη Βουλή, θα έχουμε και μια πλειοψηφία στον λαό που θα έχει κατανοήσει τα θετικά της, θα έχει δει ότι δεν πήρε κανείς τη Θεσσαλονίκη για τα Σκόπια, θα έχει δει ότι οι φοβισμένοι και οι δειλοί κατασκευάζουν καταστροφικά σενάρια και οι τολμηροί πατριώτες είναι αυτοί που είχαν δίκιο. Σε ερώτηση αν οι Ανεξάρτητοι Ελληνες καταψηφίσουν τη συμφωνία και αποχωρήσουν από την κυβέρνηση, ο κ. Κοτζιάς λέει:
"Δεν βλέπω πιθανή αλλαγή κυβέρνησης και καμία κυβέρνηση δεν μπορεί να ακυρώνει έτσι εύκολα διεθνείς συμφωνίες, οι οποίες μάλιστα θα έχουν επιβεβαιωθεί από 28 άλλα κράτη" και σημειώνει "Αυτά είναι για τα μάτια της κοινής γνώμης. Και σας ξαναλέω, κατακρίνουν μια συμφωνία που είναι πολλαπλάσια καλύτερη από οποιαδήποτε συμφωνία. Οι αντιπολιτευόμενοι ξέρουν ότι είναι μία πολύ καλή συμφωνία, αλλά τους βολεύει αντιπολιτευτικά. Είναι ευχαριστημένοι κατά βάθος. Εμείς να κάνουμε τη σκληρή και τολμηρή δουλειά και αυτοί να παριστάνουν τις παρθένες … Όπως λέω πάντα, η ιστορία είναι σχολείο για να μεγαλώνουμε και να αναπτυσσόμαστε και να μαθαίνουμε και όχι φυλακή. Πρέπει να τελειώνουμε με τα δεσμά των φυλακών που βάλαμε τον εαυτό μας ".
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