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"Our country is determined to send a message to the East and West, to all our friends and not, that for those who violate the principles of sovereignty and respect towards us, the measures The moment this was considered diplomacy to go the chicken has gone through.This is a diplomacy for the chicken and not for foreign policy, "said Foreign Minister Nikos Kotzias , in a television interview with the Athens-Macedonian News Agency
. Regarding the visit of the Russian Foreign Minister to Athens, Mr Kotzias stresses in ANA-MPA that he is not worried and expresses the hope that all the problems will be solved in a friendly manner. "
" Sergei Lavrov, whom I consider as one by Mr Venir in Greece to prepare the trip of the Prime Minister, Mr Tsipras, to Moscow, who invited them again. I have given this invitation if he wants to come, if he does not want to come, he will be welcome again. He believes that he must be identified with those we have deported or those who have not left him in Greece, that is his right. I've tried, as you know and say our announcement, not to identify these bad cases with the official Russia, it's the question of Russia's he wants to identify with them or not. "
Minister of Foreign Affairs highlights interview" I do not worry about Greek-Russian relations, I am concerned about a turnaround that is developing in our country, when I ask Turkish Cypriot troops to leave Cyprus, they say no, it is not patriotic, there are some left. When I ask to solve the nomenclature, the problem of Skopian, they tell me not to hurry. When I take action against people who violate international law and the rules of hospitality in the country, I am wrong. I do not understand why. Because on the one hand, they use hate speech in the country, and in the case of small countries, it is the future of North Macedonia, Albania and and so on. and on the other hand, when big countries break our rules, they say we have to tolerate and bow. I also told the meeting of the Scientific Council of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs that they were not patriots but worshipers. "
However, Mr. Kotzias described as" very good "the fact that, for his part (19659002)" The terms of the agreement with Skopje were ripe "[19659002] Referring to the Prespa Agreement, the Minister of Foreign Affairs noted that the conditions of the agreement with Skopje were ripe.Solution The conditions were mature.Mature conditions mean that what you can do should do it.There is the second school that says the problems to get rid of the problems.I ask: do we want a Macedonia under the influence of Turkey or Macedonia which has a friendly relationship with we are what we need to answer, not if we are in a hurry or not.Do we want an FYROM in which Slav fundamentalism will develop and there will be currents of terrorism from the North to Greek Macedonia or want eliminate the causes and possibilities to strengthen Slav fundamentalism and terrorism in our North? Do we want a country that will stabilize and be linked financially, geographically or socially with us or do we want a country that considers us an enemy and looks forward to cooperation with other countries we would not be very happy about? ? "
When asked if it was the best deal that our country could do with Skopje, Mr. Kotzias emphasized:" That we could do a better deal if you and I was sitting there at home and we reached an agreement without the other As I said, we would not call it North Macedonia, we would call it North of # 39; Alaska. And even if tradition and reluctance to negotiate have not been preceded, all 25 years would have been easier. But we have two problems: first, that the other party must be in agreement, because we did not understand it by the war to dictate what we want. We want the other party to persuade its own society, win a majority in the House, referendum, revise its constitution, do difficult things. "
" We found it fairer and we corrected it as much as possible "
" Second, we found it more equitable, and with these achievements, you can only not continue a negotiation without taking them into consideration. What we did was correct them as much as we could. The continuity of the state, which is an established principle of international law, exists.
First of all, the name changed, northern Macedonia. Some refer to what Zaev says today. But the agreement has not yet been ratified and has not yet begun
Second, the agreement provides for amending Article 49 of the Constitution, which talks about A Macedonian nation in neighboring countries, namely minorities, and that previous governments they left it in the interim agreement. Zafef agreed to change and textually copy the Greek Constitution in paragraph 18, which obviously does not refer to minorities in the interior, but refers to the defense and badistance of our expatriate Hellenism and our diaspora. And I totally disagreed with him, copying the very good Greek wording. With respect to borders, a specific paragraph of the agreement refers to the inviolability of borders, but also that we will not allow violence from within our country here or by us there, "says the Minister of Foreign Affairs
. Asked how he interprets the fact that six out of ten Greeks are asked to say "no" to the agreement, Mr. Kotzias emphasizes: "I think that the majority of Greeks, like me, say emotionally that we do not know We have nothing to agree on, and I think that the opposition parties are a bit fed by the lack of a solution, and we have to stand out among those whose specialization is to create problems, such as the current opposition – ND and PASOK who led the country for decades after the junta collapsed – and those who provide the solution to the problems.The country needs the second, not the first. It's even more difficult, and as I said in my speech at the conference, if you do nothing in foreign policy, there's usually no question, but as soon as you start to solve the problems, everyone says that it could have been a better or a worse solution
But I deeply believe that actions such as the meeting of the Scientific Council of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs are silencing your media. I have mentioned, the Greek people will better understand their interests.
For example, a lady told me in the street: "Do not be ashamed to give Thessaloniki the capital of the state of Skopje". Pumpkins, stupid things, silly things. But as the Greeks say, do you know what is inconceivable in our country? malice and lack of correct information. It is not up to the woman to blame, it is they who deliberately, to favor their opposition, undermine an agreement that, as you will see, valid foreign newspapers call for a chef d'oeuvre. diplomatic agreement.
"All official Macedonian documents"
To the question whether the agreement could give the name of Macedonians "Macedonians" or "Macedonians of the North" and not as they wish, the Minister Foreign Affairs note: "Attention, we must distinguish breeds: Officially, and institutions will go from the front, in the whole term North Macedonia. But if you think that I can impose on every citizen to be called North Macedonian, I will ask you the following simple question: He is a resident of Skopje and tells his girlfriend that he is Macedonian. What will we do now? Are we going to put in place a metaphysical state that will put him in prison? What we have said is that the citizens of this country have the right to define themselves as they want. It's a global right that we can not change. But at the same time, we can tell them what we want
We can tell them in their Slavic name, we can talk about the Slavo-Macedonian language, the Slavo-Macedonian nation. When we go to the level of the individual, only a totalitarian state and a dictatorial state can control how that person will be told informally.
In the state identity, however, the institutional identity will be called North Macedonia. In other words, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs will not be a Macedonian or Macedonian Foreign Ministry. It will be the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Northern Macedonia. The school will be the school of North Macedonia.
However, you can not force people out of the institutional system and the public space to define themselves. The other wants to be self-clbadified "here is the Balkans and does not play laughter", as someone said, "we are Eastern" or others say "we are Western ". Should we start punishing them and putting them in jail? And what do we decide? Are we Western or Eastern or are we mixing? People define themselves as they want … "
We ensured the abolition of irresponsibility
" In a negotiation, you make a compromise. They are called "Macedonian citizens of northern Macedonia". Until now, they went to Greece and travel with travel documents as "Macedonians". And all those who criticize the case do as if they forgot about it or did not know it. And the question is not how we want to tell them, but based on their own needs and their own needs, the question is: are you better Macedonians or citizens of northern Macedonia? It is the alternative. And of course, the name "Citizens of North Macedonia" is much better. And you should always remember that we did not make war on them, we did not understand them, we did not impose an occupation constitution, but we did a friendly negotiation. And we took the gentleman for us, which was the abolition of irredentism, the recognition of borders, the recognition that there are no minority rights in Greece and the claims, the recognition that they must change their name in North Macedonia, the recognition that this should be for all purposes, the recognition that they will have to make constitutional changes … The agreement is between two States. It does not bind people and people.
To give you an example: the interim agreement says that it is forbidden to have irrationalism on both sides. In the protest that took place here at the Constitution and the protest held in Thessaloniki, part of the far right – not the simple world that worried and behaved well – was says, "Bring us arms to enter Skopje." What is it? Is not it irresponsible? And the parties and cities that supported these events have left me a question. Why did not they condemn these slogans? Do some people in Greece shout "bring weapons to Skopje"? In other words, if we heard such slogans during demonstrations in Turkey, Istanbul, Ankara, would not we consider it a challenge? Would not we denounce such annoying phenomena? How do we allow such "rights" that we do not give to others? I have not heard to be honest about such slogans in Skopje
Irritation – and Professor Marilena Koppa rightly said at the conference – is ready to re-access the lost lands. Salvation means, first, that you have land claims and, second, that these claims will be implemented by all means.
I no longer see tertiary claims. From morning to night, that's what Zaev says. Now, if there are stupid opposition protesters or people who do business with them and say that it is irrelevant, companies have to act, well sure, not repressive. Measures are, for example, what we plan to change in books. The process has already begun since July 17, a month after the agreement began to establish and set up scientific teams on this issue.
Slippers also claim our heritage, ancient Greek. It's over. It has already changed the name of Skopje airport, has become the international airport of Skopje, has changed the road connecting its borders with Skopje, the statues or has already downgraded or degraded. I think all these issues are very serious because we are struggling with the Zaeffe government to end the poisoning of the world by fanaticisms that have no place in the world today. ; hui. We want friendship. We want the Common Way to contribute to the development of this region and region to contribute to the development of all the Balkans …
If you read books such as Michael Papaconstantinou of New Democracy and Mr. Skillikakis, General Secretary party Ms. Bakoyannis and former Secretary General here at the Foreign Ministry, you will see what they all say. Twenty-five years ago, unfortunately, we did not dare to change the world and instead of dealing with the main problems, we talked about formal and formal problems. And, unfortunately, we did not have the impression that we needed the northern neighbor to make us our best friend and pbad it without understanding the changes made in the world. "There is no difference between the current policy towards Skopje and that of former Prime Minister Costas Karamanlis in 2008 in Belgrade," said the Foreign Minister. we asked Mr. Kotzias:
"Kostas Karamanlis said in 2008 that he should change the name of the country we call the FYROM to change the name .She did not change the name, he could not enter NATO.The name is now changing.The process and negotiation of Bucharest did not contain name negotiation nor draft agreement.It is another I do not let this country enter into an organization and another thing that we both do. "Bucharest was not a proposal to agree. </ p> <p> Bucharest was a prerequisite for the accession of Macedonia to NATO, we first had to agree.
Solution of the name of the product
We asked the Minister of Foreign Affairs for disputes and protests expressed by businessmen from northern Greece regarding the name of the products. "To be honest, more objecti ons are heard by businessmen in Athens. Because the Thessaloniki businessmen, as you saw at the conference that the Prime Minister had raised, welcomed the agreement. And why did they welcome it? Because some people see the products of the neighboring country have been named up to here products … from northern Alaska and they are suddenly called products of Northern Macedonia. Bad and wrong. The products of this country have so far been called "Macedonian products". And now from now, once the agreement has begun and ratified, it will be called North Macedonia products
There is a time horizon for this
"Automatically will be made for the products of Northern Macedonia What they want a time to solve is the products themselves, not their country of origin, their production.Because there is in Greece products that They are rightly called Macedonian and Macedonian products that are also called Macedonians.
There are 3,500 companies on both sides – the University of Thessaloniki records and we have it. study with the inscription "Macedonian". "
That is why we said that we would set up a commission under the auspices of the European Union and the UN. A member state of the European Union is us. We are not worried. To tell you the other, these products did not have these titles until now. Now we will put it in place. Solve it. Those who have seen the problem and have nothing to blame now because we want to solve it. "
In a question about what makes him believe that the 140 countries all over the world who have so far recognized Macedonia as" Macedonia "θαποδεχτούν τη νέα ονομασία, ο υπουργός απάντησε:" Δείτε το βίντεο του BBC το οποίο δείχνει πώς ονόμαζε το BBC την πΓΔΜ πριν από τη συμφωνία και μετά τη συμφωνία. το BBC το CNN όλα τα μεγάλα διεθνή κανάλια πριν από τη συμφωνία λέγανε τη FYROM σκέτα νέτα "Μακεδονία" και στο χάρτη της Ελλάδος δεν υπήρχε Μακεδονία . Μετά τη συμφωνία, η FYROM λέγεται Βόρεια Μακεδονία και στον χάρτη ως Μακεδονία εμφανίζεται η ελληνική Μακεδονία. Και σας ρωτάω, από τον χάρτη που εξαφανίζει τ ν ελληνική Μακεδονία και τα αναφέρει ως "Μακεδονία" τα Σκόπια και το χάρτη που λέει τα Σκόπια Βόρεια Μακεδονία και τη Βόρεια Ελλάδα Μακεδονία, ποια από τα δύο είναι πιο πατριωτικά κοντά μας; …
Ακούστε, έχει μεγάλο ενδιαφέρον το χθεσινό γράμμα του Ζάεφ προς το ΝΑΤΟ, που λέει ότι η χώρα κάνει αίτηση να ενταχθεί στο ΝΑΤΟ με το όνομα Βόρεια Μακεδονία. Ποιο κράτος-μέλος του ΝΑΤΟ ή κράτος-μέλος της Ευρωπαϊκής Ένωσης μπορεί να αναφέρει πλέον και στο εξής διαφορετικά ένα κράτος με το όνομα που το ίδιο ζητάει να ενταχθεί; Και το δεύτερο, στις δεσμεύσεις που έχει αναλάβει η πΓΔΜ είναι ότι θα γράψει σε όλα τα κράτη που το έχουν αναγνωρίσει με το σκέτο όνομα "Μακεδονία" ότι το όνομά μας είναι πλέον, λέγομαι Βόρεια Μακεδονία και από σήμερα θέλω να μας αποκαλείται με αυτόν τον τρόπο. Ακόμη και η Τουρκία αν θέλει να εξακολουθήσει να τους λέει σκέτα νέτα "Μακεδονία" πρέπει να παραβιάσει τη συμφωνία στο ΝΑΤΟ, τη συμφωνία στον ΟΗΕ και τις συμφωνίες που κάνει το ίδιο το κράτος της Βόρειας Μακεδονίας απέναντι σε κάθε τρίτο μέρος.
Η συμφωνία στην ελληνική Βουλή μόλις ολοκληρωθεί η όλη διαδικασία στα Σκόπια
Πόσο ρεαλιστικό είναι, όμως, να πιστεύει κανείς ότι η συμφωνία θα γίνει τελικά δεκτή στην πΓΔΜ, με δεδομένο ότι η τελευταία δημοσκόπηση δείχνει ότι το 54% των κατοίκων της χώρας αυτής αντιτίθεται στη συμφωνία; ρωτήθηκε ο κ.Κοτζιάς.
"Το είδα αυτό, αλλά πριν από τρεις ημέρες είχε άλλη δημοσκόπηση που έλεγε ότι το 70% είναι υπέρ της συμφωνίας. Πείτε μου την εταιρεία και τα συμφέροντα που εκπροσωπεί για να σας το σχολιάσω. Η δικιά μου γνώμη είναι ότι η πλειοψηφία του φίλου γειτονικού λαού θέλει να μπει και στο ΝΑΤΟ, να μην πω η απόλυτη πλειοψηφία του αλβανικού τους στοιχείου και η πλειοψηφία του σλαβομακεδονικού θέλει να μπει στο ΝΑΤΟ και στην Ευρωπαϊκή Ένωση. Αν αποφασίσουν να μην μπούνε, δεν το θέλω, δεν το πιστεύω, δεν νομίζω ότι θα γίνει, αλλά αν γινότανε, νομίζω ότι θα είναι φανερό ότι εμείς δεν φταίμε σε κάτι …
Η επικύρωση θα γίνει με το δημοψήφισμα και στη συνέχεια πρέπει να ακολουθήσουν οι συνταγματικές αλλαγές. Πρέπει να καταλάβετε τι δύσκολο πράγμα είναι για μια χώρα να αλλάζει το όνομά της και να αλλάζει και το Σύνταγμά της. Και τι μεγάλη πράξη είναι από την άλλη πλευρά -κάποιοι με βρίσανε επειδή αναγνωρίζω τη δυσκολία τους- είναι δύσκολο πράγμα και το κάνουνε για να έχουν καλές σχέσεις μαζί μας και να έχουν προοπτικές στους ευρωατλαντικούς θεσμούς. Και αν θέλετε, από τη δική τους σκοπιά, θα τα κάνουν όλα αυτά μη γνωρίζοντας στο τέλος τι θα γίνει στην Ελλάδα και αν θα την επικυρώσουμε.
"Όλοι θέλουν να το λύσουμε εμείς το πρόβλημα για να έχουν το δικαίωμα να μας κατηγορούν "
Αλήθεια, ποια είναι η εκτίμησή σας για τη στάση της ελληνικής πλευράς;
" Νομίζω ότι μόλις επικυρωθεί στην πΓΔΜ η αλλαγή του Συντάγματος, την άλλη μέρα πρέπει να έρθει στην ελληνική Βουλή, στην Επιτροπή Εξωτερικών Υποθέσεων και μετά στην Ολομέλεια της Βουλής απαντά στο ΑΠΕ-ΜΠΕ ο κ. Κοτζιάς.
Και αν δεν εγκ ιθεί στη Βουλή; Πάμε αμέσως για εκλογές;
"Δεν υπάρχει τέτοια περίπτωση" εκτιμά ο κ.Κοτζιάς. "Είναι στο συμφέρον και των δύο κρατών- και θα το αντιληφθούν οι πλειοψηφίες και στις δύο χώρες- ότι πρέπει να τελειώνουμε με αυτή την ιστορία. Και να σας πω και κάτι: Ακούω πολλή κριτική από την αντιπολίτευση, είπα μια φράση στη Βουλή που θα την επαναλάβω, έχω την αίσθηση ότι όλοι θέλουν να το λύσουμε εμείς το πρόβλημα για να έχουν το δικαίωμα να μας κατηγορούν. Τους βολεύει αυτό προσθέτει.
Τι γίνεται όμως με τον κυβερνητικό σας εταίρο, τον κ. Καμμένο, ο οποίος αντιδρά;
"Νομίζω ότι δικαιούται να έχει την άποψή του, όπως δικαιούμαι να έχω και εγώ τη δική μου" λέει στο ΑΠΕ-ΜΠΕ ο κ. Κοτζιάς και προσθέτει: "Ας περιμένουμε να δούμε πώς θα εξελιχθούν τα πράγματα. Εγώ πιστεύω ότι όταν θα έρθει η συμφωνία για ψήφιση στη Βουλή, θα έχουμε και μια πλειοψηφία στον λαό που θα έχει κατανοήσει τα θετικά της, θα έχει δει ότι δεν πήρε κανείς τη Θεσσαλονίκη για τα Σκόπια, θα έχει δει ότι οι φοβισμένοι και οι δειλοί κατασκευάζουν καταστροφικά σενάρια και οι τολμηροί πατριώτες είναι αυτοί που είχαν δίκιο "
Αν όμως οι Ανεξάρτητοι Ελληνες καταψηφίσουν τη συμφωνία και αποχωρήσουν από την κυβέρνηση. Βλέπετε αλλαγή στη διακυβέρνηση στην Ελλάδα και επακόλουθα το ενδεχόμενο ακύρωσης της συμφωνίας;
"Δεν βλέπω πιθανή αλλαγή κυβέρνησης και καμία κυβέρνηση δεν μπορεί να ακυρώνει έτσι εύκολα διεθνείς συμφωνίες, οι οποίες μάλιστα θα έχουν επιβεβαιωθεί από 28 άλλα κράτη" εκτιμά στο ΑΠΕ- ΜΠΕ ο κ. Κοτζιάς και σημειώνει: "Αυτά είναι για τα μάτια της κοινής γνώμης. Και σας ξαναλέω, κατακρίνουν μια συμφωνία που είναι πολλαπλάσια καλύτερη από οποιαδήποτε συμφωνία. Οι αντιπολιτευόμενοι ξέρουν ότι είναι μία πολύ καλή συμφωνία, αλλά τους βολεύει αντιπολιτευτικά. Είναι ευχαριστημένοι κατά βάθος. Εμείς να κάνουμε τη σκληρή και τολμηρή δουλειά και αυτοί να παριστάνουν τις παρθένες … Όπως λέω πάντα, η ιστορία είναι σχολείο για να μεγαλώνουμε και να αναπτυσσόμαστε και να μαθαίνουμε και όχι φυλακή. Functionρέπει να τελειώνουμε με τα δεσμά των φυλακών που βάλαμε τον εαυτό μας. "
Πηγή: ΑΠΕ-ΜΠΕ
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