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– Jon Moxley has been meeting with Wade Keller in the second part of their fantastic interview on the Wade Keller Pro Wrestling podcast. He struggled to work with Brock Lesnar in their match for WrestleMania 32. The two men clashed in a street fight without a barrage that did not meet a favorable response to the crowd or critics. As Ambrose told Keller, this problem was partly due to the fact that Lesnar was not receptive to any idea and that the angle included an infamous segment of the "red wagon", the Raw before WrestleMania.
Highlights of the discussion are presented below. You can also listen to the full podcast below:
About a game with Lesnar at WrestleMania 32: "At the time we arrived at WrestleMania, the angle was more very hot. I had this game because we did three things for the number 1 contender with me, Roman and Brock, which turned out to be really great. And there was a promo for that, and I took it upon myself to say, "I'm going to get up in front of Brock's face. What could happen worse? So I found myself face to face with Brock and I was trying to show him, "Yeah, maybe you're the suplex machine guy, but I can stab you." I could stick a pencil in your eyes. I bring a different dynamic as an opponent. You are obviously physically very different from me, but I could stab you like that. So I am in front of him, whatever, and there is electricity. People are like "Whoo, it's interesting." I do it alone. It's not scripted, is it? But it was finished and there was electricity between us. "
When trying to pitch ideas for the match: " So now people want to see me and Brock, because I was supposed to work with them. Jericho and Bray were supposed to work with Brock. They had already started the angle. And then Brock and I did the thing. We did a trilateral, we did some cool stuff, there was an atmosphere between us. So now, let's go with Brock and me. So, I thought I deserved this game. I was doing my thing, my way of doing things came to where people wanted to see this game. So now, I won the match. So now I say, "Yeah!", It's like my dream opponent, my dream scenario, Street Fight. You can imagine how much effort, time and thought I spent on that, right? It's my life. As I said, the match took place because of the vibration I emitted. So now that they are reserving it, they are writing it. Now, it's becoming a blundering city again. They make me do something with Terry Funk where – as well as it was to do something with Terry Funk, I'm cutting a table for some reason. Mick Foley gives me his barbed wire bat that I will never be able to use. I say to myself "Why can not we use it?" They say to me, "Oh, my blood." [sighs] I also thought in my head that they were afraid to scream after Brock. So I say to myself "maybe we have some strength", do you know what I mean? I think, "It'll be cool." "
About Lesnar's reaction: " And I think Brock probably thinks on the same page as me, like "We're gonna tear it up!" And I think it's thought that he was only doing me a favor, the fact that I was in the ring with him was enough to like doing incredible things for me.I think that's what he thought. did not want to be there, I mean, he just put in the – and then the week before, I'm like – because this thing is a Street Fight.This is not a match, you can just call In the ring, it's a street fight in WrestleMania, so we need to have the stunts approved and put in place, we have to have props for the moguls at the table, or whatever we do. that to everyone, to all the producers, and I feel like I'm being ignored because our correspondence was not important for producers, writers and Vince. They just gave me enough to give me the match, but they did not help me to make a good angle or something hotter than people want to see. And [I’m like] "Can we do that? Can we do that? Can we, all these waterfalls and those things? 'I'm ready to die in the ring. I'm ready to face the worst – I'm not trying to subject Brock to abuse. I'm trying to take the worst shots in the history of the world. I am ready to be there if he kills me? Great, I'm going for a legend. I was ready to do anything. But in the weeks before, the angle was not good, Brock is not even half the time, we are not doing anything interesting. "
On the red wagon segment: " The previous week, when returning to Brooklyn, I carried a small red wagon into the ring and I filled it with # 39; weapons. I'm going to Vince's office. I am mortified. Mortified! And I'm like, 'Yo! I will face Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania. I'm going to death! It's so bad, and you drag me a little red wagon. Make me understand. And he said, "Oh, it's really serious. You dragged that white weapon over there, you will not even look at it. You will take out the cart, put your weapons in it. "I'll see you at WrestleMania." I was like, I could not convince him otherwise and I thought: "Okay." I tried to do it exactly as he had seen it, and I think about it – and we are in Brooklyn. I'm going out with a little red wagon and they're going to make fun of me. And they'll think I'm the guy who will beat Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania? I mean, it sort of ended up in the building, like they laughed, you know. Because if someone can pull a little red wagon and make it cool, that's me. I remember right after that segment, I said to Brock, "Dude. I'm going to Dallas tomorrow, I do not know when you want to talk. No matter what you need, call me at midnight, I'll come. And he just said, "It's okay. It's gonna be okay. Do not worry about anything. It will be fine. & # 39; And it gave me an impression of "agree, he has a plan or something?" So I say, "agree, agree."
Trying to get the match was planned: "So everyone normally has like at WrestleMania, you have rehearsals. They have rings at the hotel, so you do not have to do it the same day, you can organize your match, try things. Because everyone wants to steal the spotlight in Mania, you make maximum effort during the week. You have scheduled rehearsals. We had a rehearsal scheduled as at 11pm Saturday night the day before the show at the stadium. Since he never even came to the hotel, he did not come back until late Saturday night. So, I thought, "OK, whatever. It's quite late, but it does not matter. But we end up not doing it because he says, "We do not need to do it. We have a conference call. It's like me, Michael Hayes, Jamie Noble, Brock and Paul Heyman. A conference call Wednesday because it is not yet in Dallas. So, I'm right in Dallas waiting, and none of my ideas have been approved yet, Brock did not even hear any of my ideas, because he did not care, did not exist. I remember the night before the teleconference, I wanted the producer, Jamie Noble, to lead it. So we end up at the hotel, in a kind of stairwell or anything at night. And I thought, "Dude, look." And I expose my ideas, whatever they are. And I was really trying to get bedbugs approved. And I had Vince, because I asked him, "Can I have a bug, do you like it?" And he said, "Maybe," with a smiley face. And I said to myself, "Yes, I will have it." So anything in the end, I was "And finally … he f ** king F5 m brought me into the f ** king f ** or something else, and I'm on his back, strangling him, and he f ** king puts me in an F5 in bed bugs, then he does not even bother to cover me, he just puts me in the head and in My arms are suffocating … he's smothering me, my king has his arm raised in the air and he's starting to fade, and then I turn the bird around, then he'll slowly erase, my arm falls and it stifles me after he has pbaded me through the most powerful king who makes me baded and screwed up the king to do me every day.I do not know if that was a good finish, no matter, Jamie hated it, I even had an idea of what I looked like: "And if, as in the weeks before, I started blocking people's ankles." , tie the heels to people like Frank Mir did it, as if I were studying all his fights. And I was like "I live in Vegas, Frank Mir lives in Vegas. I'll even go to Frank Mir's gym where he teaches me how to hook the heel. I had all these crazy ideas of cool things, but no one wanted to put any effort aside from me. It was as if I were invisible during all this accumulation and the weeks that preceded, during the week.
"So we have this teleconference. The teleconference comes, I'm exposing it. Nobody says anything, I say to myself: "OK, here are all my ideas", like all the ideas that I have had during the last three weeks and that nobody wants to listen. Brock probably does not even listen, and he just says, "I mean, I do not think we need all that. I mean, all these extra gadgets. It's just a simple story. Listen, you go to Suplex City, you put your hand on a weapon and you make a return. And me, it's like that, and here's what I've been saying all week long. I continued, "What are the weapons?" And it was like, "Well, you have a kendo and a chair. You can not use any tables because they are saved for others. They are more important than my correspondence. You can not know, no stunts, no nothing, you know? So, like, I'm just like, "Aw, f ** k." So, I still hope that like that day, something magical will happen. Because we had the magic in the threefold sense that we had before and as the little promo we made. It was there. Now the angle is clumsy, but something good can happen. I even told him that he was just sewing me and that he was stopping a doctor. The same thing he did with Randy at SummerSlam. It's going to be cool. And you can not say that there will be blood because they immediately stopped the match. "
Trying to work with Brock the game on the day of the show: " The day of the show, I arrive at 11 o'clock. He does not show up until three o'clock. We did not talk about this game. 03 hours. Show starts at 5, we are like fourth. Start talking about things, walk away, talk to other people. He is not really interested, he does not want to be here. And it's the most important game of my life. I'm like, everyone at WrestleMania wants to show up and steal the show. There are people in the series that night who, I know, literally repeat their match for a month, like the Performance Center. Because you should come to WrestleMania to want the king to steal the show. And I said to myself, "Dude, we have the opportunity, we have a street fight. We can do anything. I will take all the bump you want! Literally, I beg you to f ** king muffle me. If you like, push me a hundred times in bedbugs. "Oh, we do not need all this." Like, he did not have the mentality of trying to steal the show.
"So, we're finally talking, we start talking about the game seriously the first time in the second game. And we are fourth. And then we're not done! And I'm like, he does not want me to separate from several F5s, and at WrestleMania, everyone gets rid of about five F5s. Because he's only doing Germans and F5s. And I throw stuff at the last minute, stuff that comes to my head. I say to myself, "What would happen if you wanted to rush into a chair and join me and put me in a German?" He says, "No. At the end, I'm rejecting every crazy stupid idea, you know? So we created a small sequence of ** f ** king dumb f ** king – we developed a type finish, maybe I'll grab the barbed wire and lower it, and throw myself into a stack of chairs, which was not even so good. It's a fight, it's not WrestleMania. And I built it in media like "Yo, it'll be crazy." I hit my head against the wall shouting after everyone for weeks, and it was as if I were invisible. The main reason was that I was not the most important game of the series. I was basically not important at all. As long as Brock is in the series, Brock is good. The other matches were more important, whatever the match of the evening. I was just, they did not give like ** t. "
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