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SPOILER ALERT: This interview contains details about tonight Fargo season 4 finale “American History” on FX

Crime doesn’t pay, and he never did it for the thugs.

As we were to see the death of a big Kansas City Mafia mainstay at the end of FargoSeason 4 of Jason Schwartzman, specifically Josto Fadda (who was killed at the hands of his own family not thanks to his spirited mistress Oraetta Mayflower played by the sublime Jessie Buckley), there was always hope that Chris Le Rock’s Loy Cannon would see better days and the dominance of his 1950s empire in Kansas City.

After a bitter code of loyalty between criminal families that involved swapping their sons in an effort to keep the peace, Loy finally saw his son Satchel (who was in the care of the Faddas) return home. But the sins of the father are the sins of the son, and Satchel ended up seeing his father stabbed to bloody death on the family porch by outlaw Zelmare Roulette (Karen Aldridge). She was expected to see a better life with girlfriend Swanee Capps (Kelsey Asbille) after Loy sent them out of town. However, a police raid on the town train station in Episode 8 “The Nadir”, which resulted in Swanee’s death, foiled that and, well, Zelmare did not forget. In the epilogue, we see young Satchel growing up to be 70s gangster Mike Milligan (Bokeem Woodbine) from Fargo season 2.

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Below is our discussion with Fargo series architect Noah Hawley on tonight’s season finale and future plans he has in store:

DEADLINE: When you were developing Season 4, was there always a plan that Loy and Josto would die or was there a world that Loy lived in?

NOAH HAWLEY: Well, we had a lot of conversations about what was going to happen to Loy in the end, which I think is kind of a separate conversation from Josto on some levels, because of the race and the idea that Loy is a black man at the center of the story. . So many options that might come his way can be loaded with meaning that is not foreseen. Neither of us wanted him to end up behind bars, it didn’t seem like a satisfying ending although for a man in his position it was a very possible end. But we also didn’t want him to be really killed by his enemy, but it also didn’t seem realistic for a black man in 1950 to be the head of a criminal organization to steal at sunset and live happily ever after. always. I think there was this idea that we are giving it this moment. He is defeated in victory and then again in defeat, then he stands on the porch looking at his family and his son he thought was dead, who has finally come home, and I think he has this deep moment when he realizes: “ I thought I needed more power to keep him safe, but now that I have no more power, no one is after us and maybe it’s a good thing. He has that moment where he thinks maybe it’s a happy ending and night is coming, not because of anything other than that, as an individual he has betrayed another individual, and like us know it from the Coen Brothers universe, the things we catch up with with us.

So that put an end to it. Josto was never made for this. He’s the kind of spoiled second-generation crime boss who never really got into the job or took it particularly seriously. He was still trying to survive week to week and, I mean, I just thought it was funny when Bulo said, “Any last requests? then Oraetta would say, “Do you want to kill him first so I can watch?” And you know, that plays out so much in his character and of course in the end he realized he was his pawn so it seems fitting.

DEADLINE: Are you still involved in the Extraterrestrial restart the TV series? I understand that agreements are trying to be made.

HAWLEY: I know there is an effort to overhaul a lot of things after the Disney takeover and this is a conversation I had a few years ago. And I haven’t had these conversations about it in recent weeks. But I know that, like any studio, there is a great desire to make the most of their library, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see something like this.

DEADLINE: But are you involved in it?

HAWLEY: You know, I have conversations from time to time but I’m not engaged.

DEADLINE: And there is no vanity yet?

HAWLEY: No I didn’t – nothing is at this point.

DEADLINE: Loy’s son being the youngest Mike Milligan – why was that such an important connection to you in the Fargo universe?

HAWLEY: It all started with the question of where a man named Mike Milligan came from. He’s a man in 1979 who fits in either the white world or the black world and works for this criminal organization that doesn’t really take him seriously, and yet you know, he’s such an iconoclastic character. And so I guess on some level this story is an attempt to explain the origins of someone as unique as him, this idea that he’s Cannon’s son, but he’s being raised by a second father who himself was brought up by Irish, Jewish and Italian parents and so on. some level that is the history of America there. It seemed like a way for this larger story, but ultimately I think Mike Milligan’s origin story only became part of a larger story.

DEADLINE: Have you set any rhythms for Fargo season five yet?

HAWLEY: I don’t have a rhythm there. I mean, I think I have an interest in mind, but I haven’t really been able to develop myself yet. But I stopped saying I’m not interested in doing another one, but I think I would come back closer to our present moment.

DEADLINE: Do you have a big series finale in mind for Fargo down the road? You’ve cleverly made all of these character connections Easter through the seasons. Is there a big climax ahead as we learn about the origins of Billy Bob Thorton’s Lorne Salvo or a big climax where everyone is connected?

HAWLEY: I don’t see this in our future. I think there is something interesting, the idea of ​​this great book about real crime that we see a number of times, and the idea not that everything is tied together in a deep narrative way, but just that ‘There is a degree of separation between Al Capone and Dutch Malone, which people who travel to these worlds have already met.

DEADLINE: Similar to how Amazon’s first season The wonderful Mrs. Maisel was at the right time for the Time’s Up movement and #MeToo, just like season 4 of Fargo at Black lives matter. Talk about it.

HAWLEY: It’s a long overdue conversation, but it’s also a conversation we’ve had for hundreds of years because it’s the penultimate American conversation that is about race and calls himself an American. Even now we are talking about who is a real American. But I also feel like if this show had premiered in 1985 or 1996, it would have felt equally relevant to the conversation as you go through a very acute phase of this conversation, and thankfully the conversation seems to have some traction. this time. But you know, there’s no way to play white, you know. You had to tell a story that relates to when you don’t and you can’t. I mean, even a Vegas will bet on it. You can’t really place a bet, a safe bet on it.

DEADLINE: The Coen Brothers films have never featured a black protagonist like Chris Rock’s Loy Cannon. However, you have diversified this universe now.

HAWLEY: I had this conversation with Chris Rock at dinner early and I said, “You know what? One of the things that I feel is that Coen’s stories, their peculiar sense of humor has a lot to do with Judaism and that kind of Jewish humor that means, ‘The food is awful and the portions are so small. ” There is an irony to this. An irony that emerges as suffering at some level from that kind of kafka-esque sense, what I call humorless irony is just violence. And it also seems very relevant to the African American experience; that there is a comedy that comes with realizing that you will never get the right side of the story, that there is a kind of oppressive humor that felt about watching this story of black characters and immigrants, who have been told as ironically, as you can, the only way to become American was to not be themselves and then be judged for not being “American.” The irony of it isn’t humor, it’s just violence and yet it feels like a very Coen Brothers dilemma.

DEADLINE: Have you told a story on a new TV series or been strictly devoted to writing your novel?

HAWLEY: It was Fargo and really book. I was hoping to deliver the book sooner, but when we couldn’t wrap Fargo it made me keep working on it, so I’m literally on page 364 and running towards the end and hoping to deliver by the end of the year. I keep having conversations [on TV series] but you know I’m not in a place where I can say “Oh, this is what I’m going to do next”.

DEADLINE: Can you tell us what the book is about?

HAWLEY: No, I really can’t. You won’t be disappointed, that’s all I will say.

DEADLINE: And is Star Trek maybe still in the cards for you at new Paramount led by Emma Watts or is it too much on hold?

HAWLEY: It doesn’t appear to be in my immediate future. I think when Emma arrived she took a look at the franchise and wanted to go in a different direction with her. But you know, life is long, we were very close to production, but in this business that doesn’t mean much. You have to get out of the gate to be in the race if you know what I mean.

DEADLINE: Back at the TCA, we asked about the status of your adaptation of Kurt Vonnegut The Cradle of the Cat, and it looked like it was a difficult limited series to pull off on a Disney owned FX. Do you see it evolving on another network since you developed it for a while?

HAWLEY: I brought the Daniels [Swiss Army Man‘s Dan Kwan, Daniel Scheinert]; attached. And we are using showrunners to develop it. Hope this will move to a new house in the near future.

DEADLINE: So it is possible that it could land on another network?

HAWLEY: Yeah, I think it will.