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Peter Thiel said Google should be investigated by the US government for helping China and accused the company of being infiltrated by the security of the company. Chinese state in an interview with Tucker Carlson of FOX News.
Thiel said that he was particularly scared by Elizabeth Warren in 2020 and found the other Democratic presidential candidates "unimpressive".
TUCKER CARLSON, FOX NEWS: Peter Thiel co-founded PayPal. He was one of the very first investors on Facebook. If anyone knows anything about the great (ph) PAC, its power and its potential dangers, it's Peter Thiel. So that means something when he warns that Google, the most powerful company in the world, has become a threat to US national security. They may even have committed treason, he says.
Yesterday, at the National Conservative Conference in Washington, Mr. Thiel warned that Google may have been infiltrated by the Chinese intelligence services and should be the subject of an immediate investigation by the FBI and the US. CIA.
I'm glad Peter Thiel joins us tonight. Peter, thank you very much for coming. So —
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PETER THIEL, CO-FOUNDER, PAYPAL: – thank you for receiving me.
CARLSON: What did you mean when you said that?
THIEL: Well, it was just a series of questions I had asked. Artificial intelligence is something people talk about nonstop in Silicon Valley – but they almost never talk about its dual use. If it's real, if it's a real thing, obviously it can also be used by the military, it will be turned into weapons in all kinds of ways, and it's an important national security issue to know who the.
There is this very particular context in which Google collaborates with the Chinese on the communist government and not with the US military; The decision of the Maven project was therefore a decision not to work with A.I., with the US military – but with Communist Chinese.
And so the question is, you know, from the outside, it's just – what's going on in the world? And I've somehow suggested several possibilities. But I think, you know, that was – they described it as a Manhattan project for AI So if you broadcast that you're building a Manhattan project for AI, I think that will naturally attract the attention of foreign intelligence agencies .
I think the Chinese are pretty confident that the Ministry of State Security is likely to have infiltrated Google, and then I think the Google management has somehow decided to let the software out of their homes or imagine that it will be stolen. anyway and get out the back door.
CARLSON: When you say that you think the security of the Chinese state is likely to have infiltrated Google, what does that mean?
THIEL: Well, if you say you're building a Manhattan project for A.I., do not you think that would attract the interest of foreign intelligence agencies?
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CARLSON: Yeah. Yeah –
THIEL: It's just hidden from view. And then they are – well, I think there are many ways in which Chinese nationals engage in espionage in the United States. I'm not even – it's understandable that China does it. They are facing very serious competition with the United States, but we are not particularly on our guard here. If you present a series of super futuristic technology projects that you broadcast around the world, this could lead to suspicion. And then the strange fact that is indisputable is that Google is working with communist China, but not with the US military for its breakthrough A.I. Technology –
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CARLSON: Why?
THIEL: That's the question. I mean, I think one of the explanations is that they have to do it, because that's what happens – if they do not give it to them through the main door, they'll be stolen from the back door. So, the first answer is that they must.
And then I think of course, you probably know, a broad base of Google employees who are ideologically like the super-left woke up and think that China is better than the United States or the United States are worse than China. It's always – it's more anti-American than anything.
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CARLSON: always. But this is, by definition, a threat to US national security, as you point out. So if Sundar Pichai was sitting here, what would you say to him?
THIEL: Well, I would say answer to my three questions. How many foreign intelligence agencies have infiltrated Google? Have the Chinese, in particular, infiltrated? And why do you work with communist China and not the United States? What is the reason you do this?
CARLSON: Why do you think that – the questions you raise – and this, and this is in no way to minimize their importance – are somehow obvious questions; why not (inaudible) find the answers?
THIEL: Well, it's possible that members of the US government are looking into the issue and they have not told us. But yes, I think the FBI and the CIA would be the natural places to look at this issue. The FBI would watch it on the domestic side; the CIA would review the situation from the outside and try to see if, from the outside, their employees controlled Google inside or …
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CARLSON: So if anyone who – it's almost rhetorical – but who built a lot of companies, as you did, do you think it would have been possible to create, incubate and develop a company like Google in China? Or —
THIEL: I do not think so – I think the US is always better at innovation and start-up, but they can certainly be copied and replicated.
CARLSON: Agreed.
THIEL: And something like this is true of all the advanced technologies we have. Most of them are still originating and developing in the West, but they do not give us a huge advantage if they are transferred in a few years or even months.
CARLSON: So I have to ask you – I guess you watch the Democratic primaries unfold; Who is the most impressive candidate in this race, do you think?
THIEL: Well, it's Elizabeth Warren who worries me the most. You know, I think she's actually talking about economics, which is the only thing I think about – the thing that matters most, by far.
CARLSON: Yes.
THIEL: And then, I think almost all the others are equally unimpressive in the sense that it's identity politics of one flavor or another, and I would not want to classify how much they're impressive, because that would force me to classify the different identities and which one is more privileged and more special –
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– and it would be a dangerous thing to enter.
CARLSON: It's hard to know. It's like –
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THIEL: But I think Elizabeth Warren is the most dangerous.
CARLSON: I think it's true. Peter Thiel, it's a pleasure to see you. Thank you.
THIEL: Thank you.
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