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Eight years have passed since the uprising of the Egyptian people against the regime of former President Hosni Mubarak. The writer of the journalist and political analyst believes indeed that the criticism of the experience of Sissi in Egypt is valid only if it returns on the authoritarian experiment conducted since Gamal Abdel Nasser.
How do you see the situation in Egypt today, after eight years of "January 2011 revolution"?
Hazem Saghieh: The situation is not worse than the bad situation, except to apologize for the change. In the sense that since 1952, Egypt has governed the legacy and legitimacy of the June Revolution, which has changed a lot in recent decades, but the idea has been to cut the link with legitimacy "52 July" and start generating different social and political relationships.
But what Sisi did really looked like an apology for the January 2011 revolution, in order to reflect the legacy of July and the bad situation that resulted. These excuses for the January revolution made it possible to connect the future with the past of the July movement.
In recent decades, Egypt has been an inspiring model in the Arab world. Do you still keep this spark after all these events?
Hazem Saghieh: Egypt has always been the model in the Arab world, successfully with us – and that's the basis of the most appropriate – and that's what happened when Egypt was the capital of the arts, culture, literature and film, or regional and external roles, as was the case in Nasser's time, Egypt's link with the call of the Arabs, regardless of the validity of this invitation Or not. But there was an ideological message that came out of Egypt and was directed to the Arab world.
With Anwar Sadat, there was a peace with Israel and the end of the war. Even in Mubarak, when Egypt was returned to the Arab League as a party that could support the Iraqi and Arab situation in the face of Iran, a message was present, but at present, Egypt has no message for the Arab world. And has no successful model at home, which explains the weakness of the Egyptian political and cultural presence in the region.
Why does no one call to celebrate the anniversary of the revolution, even in Egypt in Egypt? What brought people to look back on the January Revolution?
Hazem Saghieh: On the one hand, there is the frustration caused by the aftermath of the events of 2013 and the massive wave of repression that followed.Agypt today has more than 60,000 political prisoners, according to the International organisations.
On the other hand, the Palestinian Authority has tried relentlessly to rewrite history by removing the idea of a ground revolution and saying that it is safe to say that it is not possible to rewrite the story. was a conspiracy perpetrated by the Muslim Brotherhood before Sisi came to save the Egyptian people from this plot. It's a ridiculous and inflammatory story, despite my deep and deep disagreement with Islam. But there is now a way to accuse the Muslim Brotherhood of the Nazi way of talking about the Jews: the current Egyptian regime has attributed to the Muslim Brotherhood everything that was happening in the world or in Egypt, a method of deception. ignorance and keeping the order at the same time.
Some say that securing the two – term presidential term is the Egyptians' latest gain thanks to the January revolution and that today, more and more calls are demanding to amend the constitution and to open the presidency. What remains of the dream of democracy and the rotation of power between 2011 and 2019?
Hazem Saghieh: In reality, the reverse is enormous: the victory of the counter-revolution, which has defeated the revolutions of the Arab peoples in different ways, has led to the only democratic experience of the Arab world, Tunisia, which suffers from persistent plots.
In this situation, it is quite expected that some will come back to the idea of the eternal leader stretching over and over again, and to all that indicates its proximity, the idea that has since begun. the time of Nasser, who was the first leader of the 99.99%, which was renewed warrant by mandate. In fact, criticism of the Sisi experience is not valid without reviewing the authoritarian experience since Gamal Abdel Nasser.
The death of Khaled Said and his image, which until today was one of the reasons for the outbreak of the revolution. Today, however, international critics of the Egyptian case are multiplying in an unprecedented number of rights as the Egyptian state constantly denounces it. Are these criticisms based on reality or is there an exaggeration?
This denial is an integral part of the political culture in power in the Arab world and Bashar al-Assad continues to deny the existence of a huge problem in his country, which Gaddafi has always said and made up to. on the last day of his life, as well as other Arab leaders.
But this denial and indifference to the outside world also draws their strength from the rise of populism around the world and in very influential countries such as the United States with Trump, regimes totally indifferent to human rights. And who do not care about violations in other countries. Egyptian diet.
"In fact, the criticism of the Sisi experience is not valid without reviewing the authoritarian experience since Gamal Abdel Nasser."
There are those who say that the Western world in 2011 was more receptive to the idea of revolutions of the Arab peoples, but its position changed today after what happened in Syria, Yemen and Libya, and there are also those who say that without the intervention of neighboring countries in Egyptian affairs, the experience of the Egyptian revolution will fail. How do you see that?
Hazem Saghieh: In my opinion, the decisive and fundamental factor is what is happening in the interior: in the sense that if the revolution in Egypt had been successful, all these considerations would have taken a secondary place, especially if the revolution did not take place. had failed to sabotage peace with Israel, but would have relied on it. Successive Egyptian regimes in the western world have won their support and support.
In conclusion, any change in society must come from within, but the problem was that the revolution and the youth of January, as a peaceful movement in the fields, were not ready to deal with an intervention as massive as a violent military intervention on the scene with repressive authority that they could not stand. It is not at all useful to refer the idea of any change to the outside, as this could put an end to some of the Arab political thought, which brings all the problems to the plot and to the maneuvers abroad.
"We in the Arab world have to work a little on ourselves and know what we are lacking, as well as in everything that touches our palate and where we have naivety in revolutionary movements."
Unfortunately, the personalities who could have played this role in Egypt are pursued in different ways, especially because of the absence of the issue of rights and freedoms on the agenda of a state like Trump. , in the USA. Western Europe is too weak to put pressure, In addition to its first and last concerns of France and its social and economic problems vis-à-vis Germany and Merkel, it will go away and the mysterious change that will occur in the country in Britain and the Brixset problem.
Hazem Saghieh
Copyright: Deutsche Welle
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