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Leonid Buryak began speaking for Dynamo Kyiv so as not to "serve in the army" at CSKA Moscow. One of the best-known Ukrainian footballers said this in an exclusive interview with Radio Liberty. In the USSR, "military" popular sports clubs have a consistent practice of attracting talented young players. The "called ones" did not keep the machine and did not walk on the floor, but won the same awards from CSKA. However, the authority of Dynamo Kyiv was such that it was an exception. Leonid Buryak also explained how the Dynamo managed to impose it, unlike the difficult relations off the field, about his current relations with Oleg Blokhin and at the request of Valerii Lobanovsky (he would have been eighty years old on January 6, 2019.)
Alexander Lashchenko: Mr. Buryak, are you doing now?
– Translation. Besides the fact that this work and this creative activity are completed, I am currently working to help one of the clubs of the English Premier League. We are five grandchildren and travel with his wife. In fact, by the time we chose football, we are now trying to fill the gap.
The fact that you spend a good life in football – always somewhere, looking back, you are considering … Of course, the time that Dynamo (Kyiv) has made a fury in Europe and not only .. We have been recognized as the best team in the world. I think we will survive again until our younger generation of football players leave a trail. I always say that time is needed, we have to sort of sort out all our problems, both political and economic. Yet, Ukraine is a pretty big and talented country. There were three winners of the "Golden Ball". I think that will not stop there.
– Yes. And one of them is Igor Belanov, your compatriot, Odessa.
– Yes.
– Are you going to Odessa?
– Yes. My parents are buried in Odessa. And my sister lives in Odessa.
– And your wife, we remind you who does not know, Jeanne Vasyura, a well-known Ukrainian gymnast, an artist. And two children in you
– Yes, two children.
– Mr. Buryak, watch the games, of course, now.
– For sure, every game in Kiev – I try not to miss. We all sympathize with our favorite team. Of course, they are somewhat positive, with a kind of critical emotions. Of course, it would be desirable that this youth soon be on the legs and played successfully not only in Ukraine but also in Europe.
– Are you more interested in Dynamo (Kyiv) or Chernomorets (Odesa)? 19659003] – Of course, for "Dynamo" (Kiev). Although I am grateful to those who have seen me as a young talent, they have given me the opportunity to go to Dynamo Kyiv. Because it was fatal. I was already in Moscow, I was in the position of the team "Dynamo" (Moscow) and the night …
– … it is in 1973?
– Yes. My late Leo Ivanovich Yashin and Konstantin Ivanovich Beskov, as players of the youth team, were invited to Dynamo in Moscow. I already left. But at night he woke up, picked up items, went to the airport, bought a ticket and arrived in Odessa. Exactly two weeks ago, I went to Dynamo Kyiv.
– Have you ever invited Lobanovsky to Dynamo Kyiv or not?
– No Aleksandr Aleksandrovich Sevidov
– Former coach with which Dynamo Moscow Dynamo was also a champion of the USSR.
– Highly qualified specialist who did all the basic work and selection. In fact, Valeriy Vasilyevich Lobanovsky added a few traits, a little discipline, a training process, all of which was reduced to nothing, and in principle this result came out.
– I will tell you right now that it is a shame for me to read about this that some people write about certain things about Lobanovsky, that they informed Lobanovsky that they had almost discouraged the composition of Lobanovsky – who put to whom to play C was a very closed man. For 14 years, which I spent at Dynamo Kyiv, I saw that it was possible to rely on the fingers of people who could enter his room. That's fair enough, an honest man who loved his business.
I'm just ashamed to read what some people write about Lobanovsky
Of course, it was all difficult. There was a crazy training process, with crazy loads. Except that we were youth players, the youth team was still part of the national team of the USSR. Of course, what is happening now and how we played … I started having problems, misappropriations of heart. I played for 70 years in a season for three years. That's a lot.
And Lobanovsky, of course, a little early. I think the current football is the result of Lobanovsky's work.
Lobanovsky as a man … I had no problem with him. Although there were some differences. I always went to the coaching staff. After the match, some things were discussed …
… even when you were a coach?
– Yes. But in his person, I lost a person who was friendly, a person to whom it was possible to turn for any reason.
– The degree of rivalry between Dynamo (Kyiv) and Spartak Moscow (Moscow) in the championship of the USSR indicates this fact. Do you confirm this truth or not? It is said that Oleg Blokhin, while he was in Moscow for some kind of match, found the time and came to visit the "Spartak" player Evgeniy Lovchev (a famous footballer). They were sitting. The friends are not friends, Blokhin and Lovchev were in good relations. You may be with Lovchev too. And Lovchev joked (when they sat down … well, do not drink alcohol): "Drink, Oleg, for" Spartak "- the champion!" Blokhin was very angry and categorically refused.
– This is not true. Lovchev – a normal person, but a little … if he now looks at all the Russian interviews, he responds very strongly to the dynamo of Kiev. In the last interview, he said: "You look at Dynamo Kyiv players at that time, they did not say hello, but they died on the ground and died one after the other! "
– And this, to things, no? Was there a difficult relationship in the Dynamo?
– Yes. We had such groups. Muntian was friends with Rudakov; Konkov was friends with Fomenko; Stefan Rehko with these; Blokhin-Buryak – such groups … And everyone stood apart and wanted to help each other and did not allow to offend.
Yes. We had such groups … And everyone stood alone and wanted to help each other and not offend
– Buryak-Blokhin, Blokhin-Buryak … At the meeting, on the field, a total interaction, such as, that no matter who could envy. But you had a difficult time. I understand that you have not even spoken if this is true.
– I will answer your question immediately. I've asked a lot about this. I have normal relations with him. This friendship that was … We had a room and shared secular money. We passed together from the youth team to the national team. And the kingdom of heaven to his parents – I was in them as a son. I went home after the match. Because I did not have anything. I came and ate them, after I was rested, spent time with Oleg. And everything connected … I introduced him to Irina Deryugina. And we spent a lot of time together. I have nothing to do …
We had a room with Blochin and we shared money.
There are some things. With age, a person ages, she perceives everything. I have a family There are things that, as I always say, have had a conflict with Lobanovsky. But if, being now a trainer and knowing something in my life, would have done and that Lobanovsky would have been in my place, I would probably have done the same. Because with age, we begin to perceive all things differently.
– It is the period of 1983?
– Yes. Lobanovsky had a conversation in the shower or bath. And I started … I thought, "Why is he talking to me about this?" Some journalists have written and written some things, it's a lie that Buryak or Blokhin have defeated one, and Blokhin and Buryak have scored more goals than all Dynamo Kyiv. Of course, that affected him. I did not read it and I did it all indifferently. But he was – he wanted me to kind of omit in this regard "what you need to understand". But I understand everything! I do not talk about this and do not ask journalists to write.
For the moment, there is no more relationship like this. But I treat with great respect for Blokhin
And as far as Oleg is concerned, there is currently no such relationship. From now on, he had a birthday and my birthday. He wrote. And I phoned him. I say, "You see, you wrote, I congratulated you." I treat him with great respect because (Blokhin – ndt) is a talented person and a man who has marked all that could be. However, with all due respect to our young players, he deserved respect. And what about Beetrock or somebody over there? That's already the case. I do not impose my friendship on anyone. I do not want to have … But there are things that happened when I lived with someone … I will never say anything bad about it! Whoever says of him a bad man will always say no! I will go up and leave, I will not listen to it. He deserves respect.
– Qualifying match of the USSR-Wales World Championship. And you gave a pass to Blochin. One of the goals that Blokhin scored …
– 60 meters.
– Maybe even more. How did you manage? How can this be done?
– I understood it. He understood me. There were arrangements. Each player plays in his strong qualities. How Blokhin played at the expense of speed. He had phenomenal speed. So I played I saw the field very well – I understood it and how to use it. What we did, of course, made us love that – Blokhin made Blokhin and Buryak created Buryak, Muntean created Muntian … Many football players, those who were named … Konkov – C & # 39, is Konkov. They played at the expense of their qualities. But together we formed a very strong team.
I always say there was a time when we were playing a single draw for a year – it was a tragedy. I wrote an explanation to the party's Central Committee.
– In spite of everything! Not even Lobanovski?
– Yes. "Why did Torpedo play 1: 1 in Kiev?" Everything is fine! And "Dynamo" (Kiev) played very rarely. Then another time.
I wrote an explanation in the Party Central Committee
Although under the command of the executive, the teams were strong enough. It was too difficult to play in Baku. It was too difficult to play in Yerevan. It was difficult to play in Tbilisi. I do not talk about the Moscow teams anymore. They came specially (match-eds), a special arbitration was. But beyond that, everything was worrying, everything sank, was milled and won the USSR championships. And played a lot. If you take everything you said, then I played 467 games in Kiev for Dynamo and 522 games in general in the High League. It's pretty much.
There were fractures, wounds. And when you play at a high level, there was not even such a high pharmacology, there were no specialists who are now part of the team – 5-6 masseurs. So you knew that there is a masseur. Come on, you rubbed, did something there. All you can not. Because there is another player waiting too. Then there was another time.
At the beginning of our conversation, I said that everything was essential, but that the most important was the mass of talented football players on any team. You call me now no matter which team, and I give you 3-4 names that could play at the level of the national team of the USSR.
– An interesting point. Then in Soviet sport, hockey, basketball … Volkov. Do you know the basketball player? Probably, acquaintances with him …
– Yes.
– "Falcon", hockey players (Tatarinov was). "Builder", basketball players (Volkov). They took from Moscow to Moscow from time to time. "Serve – in the army", so called. But Kiev Dynamo did not touch Moscow!
– First of all, who wanted to become an officer immediately, served in the Ministry of the Interior, served in reference 3217, here on Podol. But I arrived at Dynamo Kyiv for a reason: I started to catch CSKA from Moscow.
– Of! You were very young.
– Yes.
– Age in the army!
– I have the same age of serving in the army. And when I arrived, I did not take it seriously. Dali will fly to Odessa. And then, when they came to see my mother at night, and my mother told me (I was at home): "There is a police station, soldiers there." I realized what it was like. And I was hiding …
In general, it's such a funny story. I have not been found. And my mother started to scare: "We, the people in uniform, come get a boy here! We'll plant him and it'll end!" After that, I woke up in the morning; I was told that the airport could not be displayed, you could not go there anymore. I was driven to Nikolaev by car. I arrived in Kiev. And in fact, after two months, I was Dynamo Kyiv football player.
I have not been found. And my mother started to scare us, "We, the people in uniform, come get a boy here!"
– Do you have a title at the Ministry of the Interior?
– No In Oleg was a rank. I was not …
– What was the title of Oleg Blokhin?
– Well, I do not know. But our "ceiling" was a "major".
– It was shaped?
– Of course. He received the form. And many were. Muntyan was, Rudakov was. Many guys who wanted. We had: either you take this path and you become an officer, in addition you get money. Or, like me, I gave the rate of 350 rubles that I received in Moscow as a player of the national team.
– And Some Prizes Have Been For Victory …
– Of course
– If That It's a secret, how much?
– I do not remember. But who is now …
– Cup?
– And the cup. And every game was enough. If the money was removed from the bedside table …
– The dollars can not of course be there. Give the so-called checks?
– No! No, no checks. Everything – in Karbovanets. Nobody saw those dollars in hand. If you were on tour, for example in South America or Europe, a sociable or selective game worth 100 rubles, which is about 120 dollars, received in dollars. And all the rest – pure karbovanets, whether in Kiev or Moscow. Nobody even said anything. I do not understand how anyone could afford to buy something with money. Everything was punished. Nobody even got involved.
I do not understand how he could afford anything with dollars
– Mr. Buryak, you mentioned that I even had to write an explanatory note. And not Lobanovsky, but the Central Committee of the Ukrainian Communist Party. And this period, in 1976, when the leadership did not allow the sport and politics to lead a match without coaches Lobanovsky and Bazylevych. So? Was it? And he lost to Dynamo.
– Yes. We then arrived just after the Olympics. In Moscow, bronze medals are distributed and give bonuses, expensive gifts – houses, cars. Then we handed bronze medals to the sports committee toilets. And when we got here, problems started inside the team. We had Prokhorov, the goalkeeper of the "Spartacus" of Moscow. The kingdom of heaven is no longer alive. Victor Zvyagintsev of Donetsk, who was caught and who was in the game with the team of the GDR: a ball underfoot in a simple situation – scored (they scored on the doors of the national team Soviet, it was the semifinal of the 1976 Olympic Games football tournament in Montreal). And we broke the bar, there were a thousand moments, but 1: 2 lost. In fact, they played bronze medals with the Brazilian national team. They brought children there. They won, they broke just at the time of hysteria.
– The Soviet Union at this time.
– The night has come together. At night, Lobanovsky's misery was in Montreal. And, in fact, it all started. And they came here. And then the old ones have become somehow "in pose" against Lobanovsky against Bazylevych.
– Rudakov? No.
– There were many.
– Rudakov was the oldest.
– In fact, everyone participated. Someone is less, someone is more. Of course, Rudakov – so they were all, Muntyan … They are the oldest. Of course, they listened to them more than once. And we played here with Dnipropetrovsk Dnipro. And as for the will of fate, they never lost, but lost here 1: 2.
– Without Lobanovsky?
– Without Lobanovsky
– And who drove? Who was the coach? Game Coach?
– There was such a "game board" – all exposed, were second. No man, no Bazylevych, nor who was there … That's right, they are no one alive. But Jacob Pogrebnyak (kingdom of heaven!), Who also always supervised and arrived in the team, the second secretary of the party's central committee, walked silently into the locker room. All the undressed sits, the game is over. And he walked silently, silently, then he approached the middle and said, "You know, my dear football players, you're without Lobanovsky – blind kittens!" He got up and left.
"You know, my dear football players, you are without Lobanovsky – blind kittens!"
– But Basilevich – no. Тільки Лобановський повернувся як тренер.
– Лобановський – це Лобановський. А Базилевич – це Базилевич. Це дві різні людини. Лобановський проводив роботу. Лобановський вів весь тренувальний процес, як вони там домовлялися. Я з великою повагою ставлюся до покійного Олега Петровича, але Базилевич – це Базилевич, а Лобановський. – це Лобановський
– Пане Буряк, ви вже сказали, що це величезна кількість матчів впродовж одного року. Як мінімум 60. Тренування. До 300 днів на зборах. Той же ж Блохін розповідав – коли одружився на Ірині Дерюгіній, він фактично її не бачив після одруження. І таких умовах, не секрет, футболісти іноді "порушували спортивний режим", як то кажуть. У київському "Динамо" як ситуація була? Ходили такі легенди, що Лобановський ледь не перевіряв по номерах у готелі, щоб …
– Це все неправда. До Лобановського, якщо розповідати такі речі, то у нас не вистачить ефірного часу. Тому що тут правда таки була. Одна проблема, що команда поверталася … Там 20 чоловік, and у Київ прилітало 10 чоловік. Десь 10 губилося. З приходом Лобановського це все безперечно стало жорсткішим.
– "Сухий" був режим? "Сухий закон"?
– Ну, кожен якось збирався … Я не хочу сказати, що це були якісь аскети. Але це ніколи не було … Ніхто нас ніколи не бачив. Це були такі маленькі групи. Ніхто алкоголь серйозний не пив. Хтось, можливо, міг собі дозволити півсклянки шампанського чи півсклянки вина. Однак були старші хлопці. Звісно, вони особливо ставилися до цього. Не сам Лобановський – воно було так закручено. І ті навантаження – воно просто не сприймалося. Do you have any questions about this product?
– Воно тільки погіршувало стан? Якщо пити, то гірше ставало?
– Так. Те, що вони пропонували, той об'єм роботи і алкоголь – це дві несумісні речі.
ЦЕ – ЛИШЕ ФРАГМЕНТ ІНТЕРВ'Ю З ЛЕОНІДОМ БУРЯКОМ. ПОВНІСТЮ РОЗМОВА – У ВІДЕОВАРІАНТІ ІНТЕРВ'Ю
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