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Guests of the "Your Freedom" program: Boris Tisenhausen, international expert; Katerina Odarchenko, political technologist; Myroslava Gongadze, Ukrainian chief editor of Voice of America
The trial in the case of Paul Manaforth, former president of US presidential candidate Donald Trump, begins in the United States. Manaforth is accused of bank and tax fraud. This includes his work for former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych. Special Prosecutor Robert Muller said Manawfort had earned more than $ 60 million by advising Russian-backed politicians in Ukraine. Manafort himself does not plead guilty
Alexander Lachchenko: Ms. Odarchenko, who was the contribution of Paul Manaforth to the politics of Ukraine? After all, he was here almost 10 years – from 2005 to 2014.
Our political leaders believe in "Varangians"
Katerina Odarchenko: Our political leaders, especially those who did not from deep knowledge of the point of view of public administration, of public policy, they believe in "Varangians", the magic tools that can sell Israeli or American advisers. Russian consultants sell an intelligible product – corruption, administrative resources and other methods that are fundamentally different from American methods
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Manafort even worked less in the United States. He was associated with both dictators and so-called third world countries. He was not charged with working with Yanukovych, but he was partially able to pay taxes and did not register his activity.
To say that Manafort did miracles? Acting on a classic model. It is possible to cooperate effectively with Americans at the stage, for example, to develop a strategy or implement some technologies separately from effects and tools.
Manaforth chose work with dictators
About 60 million – on the "ghost" budget, which was 60-100 million.
Some partners who worked with Manaforth still live in Ukraine, have families here, usually sell such services in a message that "we are Americans and we know how best to do it."
All communities have a professional ethic. In any profession, there are people who choose a different path, but super profits, they violate ethical rules and work with themes that violate integrity, with themes of protest. We do not work with corruption technology and so on. We work with the budget, if the district is measured, 200-1.5 million official funds. People who work with corruption, they need 8 million for a majority district. If Manaforth chose to work with dictators, then he closed his chances of working in the American market, with already decent, experienced politicians who did not want to work
– Paul Manaforth started working in the US Team of Viktor Yanukovych. It is difficult to find a Russian political scientist, who did not work in Ukraine in 2003-2004. But it was Manafort that Yanukovych, if he was considered a pro-Moscow candidate, still won. The merit of Manaforte in this respect is, in your opinion, Mr. Thyssenhausen?
Manafort took over contracts for which no other lobbyist was in the United States.
Boris Tisenhausen: Great destiny in the Yanukovych victory – the merit of Manaforth. He has been working here for 10 years and has lived in Ukraine. According to some testimonies, they and Yanukovych went together to the public baths
Manafort was accused of contracts for which other lobbyists did not take in the United States. He worked with a dozen dictatorial regimes. Half of those who have worked with them are already dead today (Fernando Marcos, Mobutu Sese Seko – ed.). From money like working with dictatorial regimes, Paul Manaforth would never have won in the United States.
Working with dictatorial regimes is either a cache or dubious offshore companies through which payments are made. Our politicians are also sinners. Nobody wants to say that he pays between $ 100 and $ 200 for a meeting with an American official – payments are made through "ghost" projects
Create a non-dictatorial image, but a normal European leader. That's what Manaworth needed.
Every dictatorial autocratic regime sooner or later arrives at the conclusion that saving all the money accumulated in space at spatial speeds is not safe in one's own country. In order to invest them in a "white" and understandable business, it is necessary to create the image of a dictator not a dictator but a normal European leader. That's what Manaforth needed. He is very close to the Republican elite. It was not difficult for him to hold meetings of President Yanukovych with members of Congress and representatives of the White House.
However, the defense will appeal to the fact that Muller and the group can not conduct a case that is not defended against them. Müller pleaded for the presentation of the electoral process by Russia, but he came to the conclusion that Manaforth did not declare any money. Such a strategy would collapse fairly quickly.
If we remember the Manaforth team, a kind of carpet, Manafort Kilimnik called "my Russian brains", and in the United States, Manaforth for Manaforth. So fragile, so united in his strategic affairs, that Manafort had been working with him for a long time. But Kilimnik also worked with the infamous Deripaska, which funded lobbying structures for the Russian Foreign Ministry. So everything is interconnected that it will be difficult to understand.
There is a lack of intermediaries (between Trump and Putin – ed.). And not only Manaforth. The American lobby system allows us to completely eliminate a group of lobbyists who organize various meetings, pay the price and do not hide it. The case of Manaforth will not lead to the removal of Trump.
There are a number of facts and about 12 representatives of the GRU, who led the cracking of the server. But even if there are many moments experienced, it is almost impossible to prove how this affected the results of the election.
– Ms. Gongadze, which means this court, one of several, against Paul Manaforth? . And Ukraine is back in the foreground.
