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Joaquin Phoenix poses for a portrait at the Adelaide Hotel at the Toronto International Film Festival on Saturday, September 8, 2018, in Toronto. (Photo by Chris Pizzello / Invision / AP)
We finally got our first overview Joaquin Phoenix's Joker (not to mention the actor's picture without makeup), and the short video seems to promise a closer interpretation of Oscar winner Heath Ledger, far from Jared Leto's "Good Charlotte" roadie.
No tattoo "damaged", at least. But if you have not followed the news, you may be wondering what the agreement is with the DCEU, where Phoenix fits, and more.
Here are 5 things to know about the latest incarnation of the Joker.
Phoenix wanted to make this movie for years
From the beginning, it would seem that Joker was pushed into the production of the second audience realized how much Suicide team was, but apparently, Joaquin Phoenix has always wanted to play that role, or at least, something similar, as he revealed in a recent interview with comicbook.com.
Three or four years ago, I called my agent and said, "Why do not they want to take one of these characters and make a low budget movie, a movie but a character study, and why not one of the bad guys? ? And I thought: "You can not do the Joker, because, you know, it's just that you can not do that character, it's just done." So I tried to think of other characters, and he said "I" I'm going to hold a general meeting with Warner Bros. "And I said," I will not go, I can not go to a general meeting. "So I completely forgot about it, so I heard about this idea.was like," Oh, it's so exciting, it's the kind of experience that I wanted to have, with a movie based on a comic character. "I had the impression that you could have something on the screen.
Batman has an extremely interesting gallery of villains, because the majority of his antagonists are not traditional supervillains, but madmen of madness; That's why they lock them up in the Arkham Asylum. It's a good idea to choose one for a small-scale study, and it has been said that Phoenix's first thought was the Joker, even though he initially rejected that idea.
Ledger's iconic performance has allowed the world to sit down and take superhero movies seriously, and we still see elements of his influence in chaotic villains / controllers like Javier Bardem's Raoul Silva,
Now it's Phoenix's turn to make a good impression.
We still do not know what will be his last appearance
Phoenix's traditional clown makeup is deliberately evocative; of César Romano, John Wayne Gacy, maybe a touch of Tim Curry Pennywise.
But as disturbing as the new look is, it's not really the final design, but simply test images, shot before Phoenix even won the role. There's a lot to tell us, no matter, because makeup is a world away from the Joker's traditional comic book visualization, and more like an unbalanced circus clown.
Realism is already emphasized, which only adds to the creep factor; the traditional clown's fat painting is a thousand times more unsettling than a pale guy with a broad smile; the more it is applied freely, the better it is.
It's more like a horror movie than a cartoon movie, again, closer to Heath Ledger's incarnation, but more realistic realism. It will be interesting to see if this is a transition in the film that evolves to a final appearance, or simply marketing material.
Anyway, it's a strong indication that this Joker will be really scary.
No film universe, yet
Joker is an emanation, a spin-off, a disconnect from the cinematic universe of DC. This can be considered a bonus or a failure, as Batman will certainly not make an appearance.
It's an approach similar to what Sony does with mockery Venombut since the Joker can go in so many interesting directions, an autonomous story makes a lot of sense. Potentially.
It is certainly nice to get rid of Easter eggs and breadcrumbs that clutter the history of so many second-rate superhero movies. The Amazing Spider-Man 2, Batman V Superman, and even The Mummy they all rushed in the foot in haste to establish a wider world.
But there is always the chance that Joker will spark something bigger, if quite popular. If the commercial and critical reaction is close to what Ledger has won, then I'm sure Warner Bros. will not say no to a sequel or two, or even to another cinematic universe.
Phoenix does not consider it a super hero movie
You might be surprised that an actor of the caliber of Phoenix is doing something related to the superhero; The man is known for his strong performances in ambitious and artistic films like The master, Her, and I'm still here.
But Phoenix does not consider Joker as a superhero movie, or even like any movie, apparently. In an interview with comicbook.com, Phoenix said:
I would not categorize this as any genre. I would not say it's a superhero movie, or a movie in the studio or a … it feels unique, and I think more than anything, and probably the most important thing, Todd seems very passionate and very enthusiastic. . I think that under the excitement of these movies and their size, there are incredible characters who face real struggles. And sometimes it's discovered and exposed, and sometimes it's not, and I've always felt, for example, that there were comic characters that were really interesting and worthy of study.
The only comic comparison could be The deadly joke, where the Joker describes how one bad day can forever shatter a sane man, this terrible tragedy is all that separates him from the average inhabitant of Gotham.
It was an interesting idea and a version that Ledger's version had suggested, with its many contradictory stories of past traumas. The black Knight has left the origin of the Joker's madness to the imagination of the public, a sort of Hannibal Lecter's approach, which has added to the unpredictability and mystique of the character.
I guess we'll know exactly what happened to the Phoenix version, which could lead to the most sympathetic and understandable incarnation of Batman's archeology.
Jared Leto's Joker could still be present
Rumors are constantly circulating around the DCEU, making it difficult to know exactly what Warner Bros. has planned for their comic characters. But the implication seems to be Leto back to his role for Suicide Squad 2, although this has not been 100% confirmed.
Warner Bros. always said that the Joker the spin-off is absolutely not connected to the already established DCEU, which means that there is no reason that the two Jokers do not exist at the same time. The public already has the habit of seeing superheroes bouncing on the big screen the second time their last movie fails; we've seen so many different versions of Spider-Man, Superman, Batman, and of course, the Joker, that two at a time will probably not be a problem.
Suicide team has made a considerable amount of money at the box office, which means Leto's "damaged" Joker must have his fans, somewhere. Anxious Hot Topic shoppers and comic book lovers who like their characters to look like jumping straight should love Leto, and to be fair, the actor has always insisted that he remains a ton of sequences. to the writing of Suicide squad.
His performance was supposed to be much bigger than we had seen, so giving him another shot can not do too much … damage.
Anyway, at least we get another interpretation, and if Joaquin Phoenix manages to win, we can finally stop talking about Heath Ledger. Or at least stop sharing these same Joker memes.
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Joaquin Phoenix poses for a portrait at the Adelaide Hotel at the Toronto International Film Festival on Saturday, September 8, 2018, in Toronto. (Photo by Chris Pizzello / Invision / AP)
We finally got our first overview Joaquin Phoenix's Joker (not to mention the actor's picture without makeup), and the short video seems to promise a closer interpretation of Oscar winner Heath Ledger, far from Jared Leto's "Good Charlotte" roadie.
No tattoo "damaged", at least. But if you have not followed the news, you may be wondering what the agreement is with the DCEU, where Phoenix fits, and more.
Here are 5 things to know about the latest incarnation of the Joker.
Phoenix wanted to make this movie for years
From the beginning, it would seem that Joker was pushed into the production of the second audience realized how much Suicide team was, but apparently, Joaquin Phoenix has always wanted to play that role, or at least, something similar, as he revealed in a recent interview with comicbook.com.
Three or four years ago, I called my agent and said, "Why do not they want to take one of these characters and make a low budget movie, a movie but a character study, and why not one of the bad guys? ? And I thought: "You can not do the Joker, because, you know, it's just that you can not do that character, it's just done." So I tried to think of other characters, and he said "I" I'm going to hold a general meeting with Warner Bros. "And I said," I will not go, I can not go to a general meeting. "So I completely forgot about it, so I heard about this idea.was like," Oh, it's so exciting, it's the kind of experience that I wanted to have, with a movie based on a comic character. "I had the impression that you could have something on the screen.
Batman has an extremely interesting gallery of villains, because the majority of his antagonists are not traditional supervillains, but madmen of madness; That's why they lock them up in the Arkham Asylum. It's a good idea to choose one for a small-scale study, and it has been said that Phoenix's first thought was the Joker, even though he initially rejected that idea.
Ledger's iconic performance has allowed the world to sit down and take superhero movies seriously, and we still see elements of his influence in chaotic villains / controllers like Javier Bardem's Raoul Silva,
Now it's Phoenix's turn to make a good impression.
We still do not know what will be his last appearance
Phoenix's traditional clown makeup is deliberately evocative; of César Romano, John Wayne Gacy, maybe a touch of Tim Curry Pennywise.
But as disturbing as the new look is, it's not really the final design, but simply test images, shot before Phoenix even won the role. There's a lot to tell us, no matter, because makeup is a world away from the Joker's traditional comic book visualization, and more like an unbalanced circus clown.
Realism is already emphasized, which only adds to the creep factor; the traditional clown's fat painting is a thousand times more unsettling than a pale guy with a broad smile; the more it is applied freely, the better it is.
It's more like a horror movie than a cartoon movie, again, closer to Heath Ledger's incarnation, but more realistic realism. It will be interesting to see if this is a transition in the film that evolves to a final appearance, or simply marketing material.
Anyway, it's a strong indication that this Joker will be really scary.
No film universe, yet
Joker is an emanation, a spin-off, a disconnect from the cinematic universe of DC. This can be considered a bonus or a failure, as Batman will certainly not make an appearance.
It's an approach similar to what Sony does with mockery Venombut since the Joker can go in so many interesting directions, an autonomous story makes a lot of sense. Potentially.
It is certainly nice to get rid of Easter eggs and breadcrumbs that clutter the history of so many second-rate superhero movies. The Amazing Spider-Man 2, Batman V Superman, and even The Mummy they all rushed in the foot in haste to establish a wider world.
But there is always the chance that Joker will spark something bigger, if quite popular. If the commercial and critical reaction is close to what Ledger has won, then I'm sure Warner Bros. will not say no to a sequel or two, or even to another cinematic universe.
Phoenix does not consider it a super hero movie
You might be surprised that an actor of the caliber of Phoenix is doing something related to the superhero; The man is known for his strong performances in ambitious and artistic films like The master, Her, and I'm still here.
But Phoenix does not consider Joker as a superhero movie, or even like any movie, apparently. In an interview with comicbook.com, Phoenix said:
I would not categorize this as any genre. I would not say it's a superhero movie, or a movie in the studio or a … it feels unique, and I think more than anything, and probably the most important thing, Todd seems very passionate and very enthusiastic. . I think that under the excitement of these movies and their size, there are incredible characters who face real struggles. And sometimes it's discovered and exposed, and sometimes it's not, and I've always felt, for example, that there were comic characters that were really interesting and worthy of study.
The only comic comparison could be The deadly joke, where the Joker describes how one bad day can forever shatter a sane man, this terrible tragedy is all that separates him from the average inhabitant of Gotham.
It was an interesting idea and a version that Ledger's version had suggested, with its many contradictory stories of past traumas. The black Knight has left the origin of the Joker's madness to the imagination of the public, a sort of Hannibal Lecter's approach, which has added to the unpredictability and mystique of the character.
I guess we'll know exactly what happened to the Phoenix version, which could lead to the most sympathetic and understandable incarnation of Batman's archeology.
Jared Leto's Joker could still be present
Rumors are constantly circulating around the DCEU, making it difficult to know exactly what Warner Bros. has planned for their comic characters. But the implication seems to be Leto back to his role for Suicide Squad 2, although this has not been 100% confirmed.
Warner Bros. always said that the Joker the spin-off is absolutely not connected to the already established DCEU, which means that there is no reason that the two Jokers do not exist at the same time. The public already has the habit of seeing superheroes bouncing on the big screen the second time their last movie fails; we've seen so many different versions of Spider-Man, Superman, Batman, and of course, the Joker, that two at a time will probably not be a problem.
Suicide team has made a considerable amount of money at the box office, which means Leto's "damaged" Joker must have his fans, somewhere. Anxious Hot Topic shoppers and comic book lovers who like their characters to look like jumping straight should love Leto, and to be fair, the actor has always insisted that he remains a ton of sequences. to the writing of Suicide squad.
His performance was supposed to be much bigger than we had seen, so giving him another shot can not do too much … damage.
Anyway, at least we get another interpretation, and if Joaquin Phoenix manages to win, we can finally stop talking about Heath Ledger. Or at least stop sharing these same Joker memes.
