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You never felt that you were up to your father's expectations – that he thought you were fat, that you made him ashamed. When did you stop seeing yourself through his eyes?
I think when I got married with Vadim in my twenties and that I became Vadim's daughter. I wanted him to learn to be a woman and he taught me to be a female imitator. Oh, it's a casual way of describing my desire to be what he wanted me to be. But I do not regret the marriage at all.
Is it when you believed in your value and your beauty?
No, no, no, it did not happen until I was in my sixties. I am still working. You know, when your father does not show up to you or can not really show you that he loves you unconditionally, then you spend a lot of time trying to be kind rather than genuine.
Your stance against the Vietnam War continues to grow. Last month, protesters gathered at the Traverse City Festival, where Michael Moore awarded you an Award of Excellence.
There was a veteran in the theater who got up and I thought, "Okay, okay, that he's saying his thing, and we'll talk, and it'll be cathartic to we both. I had a Congressional Medal of Honor, I would introduce it to you. I am so grateful that you helped end the war. It was very, very beautiful. The men and women outside were doing very well, and I really feel they do not understand the war. Because if they did and they understood what was true then, I would not be the lightning rod that I am. It would be the series of presidents and administrations, both Republican and Democratic, against which they would be angry, because we were lied to.
What is the purpose of your activism today?
Organization at the base. Organizations that go door-to-door and help people understand that the white working class is not the enemy of people of color and vice versa. We have to oppose a common enemy, people who care only about money and power and do not care about average Americans.
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