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This interview includes revelations for the Sunday night episode "The Walking Dead".
It turns out that walkers are not the only undead.
For months, "The Walking Dead" has announced the departure of its central hero, Rick Grimes, breaking with his usual reading book, The Shocking Death, not only to confirm the rumors that the actor Andrew Lincoln, who he had played, left, but also to say exactly when he would go.
That moment came Sunday night in a gloomy retrospective episode that matched the marketing tone around Lincoln's release. The episode brought Rick through a series of dream encounters with old dead friends such as Shane (Jon Bernthal) and Hershel (Scott Wilson), before guiding him to what appeared to be a last explosive heroic sacrifice.
Until the end, he arrived on a very live shore and was rescued by a helicopter. The story then moved on six years later to find Rick's cohorts coping without him, his young daughter, Judith, assuming the authority (and hat) of the new Grimes that kills the zombies.
Even though Rick's destination and destiny may be uncertain, it will not be long: "The Walking Dead" will resume its story with a trilogy of feature films to be broadcast on AMC, whose first film will be produced next year.
"Everyone thinks I'm a sociopath because I do not disagree with every interview," Lincoln said during lunch in New York last month. "But the truth is that I know something is happening next year."
Unlike the series, the films will not be direct adaptations of the comics "Walking Dead". The films will tell an original Rick Grimes story and will have increased production value, said Scott M. Gimple, head of content for the "Walking Dead" universe, who writes the first film. "It's not just longer episodes," he said. (The comic book author and executive producer of the series, Robert Kirkman, is heavily involved, he added.)
The move to the cinema represents the latest expansion of the platform of a franchise that, since his arrival on television in 2010, has created another series ("Fear the Walking Dead"), an additional television series ("Talking Dead ") conferences, cruises, a range of wines and a gift box service by subscription, among other products.
AMC said that Rick's release was heavily commercialized because "if you were a fan of the series, we wanted to let you know that it was your opportunity to see his live start to the series," said David Madden, head of the show. programming. "We wanted to honor that moment and, at the same time, tell people what would come next."
But based on In reaction to the previous narrative gimmicks of the series, some fans will certainly feel manipulated or misled.
"I hope people do not feel like that, but the internet is a pretty big place, so I imagine some people will," Gimple said.
Lincoln preferred that his departure be kept secret until that happens. "My biggest regret is that people do not live this experience," he said.
But the promotion allowed a victory lap for the anchor of one of the most popular TV shows. Before "The Walking Dead" made its debut in 2010, the British actor was best known in America for his costume dramas ("Wuthering Heights") and rom-coms ("Love Actually"). But he brought tremendous physical stamina and emotional intensity to the tormented action hero Rick Grimes, a bloodthirsty and idealistic, blood-sucking zombie fighter, enduring a loss after a loss in a post-apocalyptic hellish environment.
In person, Lincoln is closer to the charming charming Wielder's romantic poster boards in "Love Actually" – a serious talker with casual affability that hides his status as the center of one of the world's largest pop culture franchises.
During a lunch in a busy Gramercy Park trattoria and in an additional phone interview, Lincoln talked about his time in the series, his favorite weave points and why, despite all the blood, bullets and human brutality, "The Walking Dead" is a story of hope. These are edited excerpts of the conversations.
What did you think of Rick's exit?
When Angela [Kang, the showrunner] She said that we had oscillated between anti-heroes and heroes over the past nine years and that we should probably end up with a heroic act. I said, "This seems like a good plan. I'm in it. "
Will you be relieved to stop pretending that you are leaving forever?
It was a compromise because I did not want to be hypocritical towards the fans, but then, of course, I did not want to give the story. But yes, I am very relieved to be able to talk about it now.
I think most fans have assumed that you would be killed, just like those who left the show. Are you worried that some people feel cheated?
It was a concern that we started to say one thing and that people anticipate a death, and we do not give them that. You can not please everyone all the time. That's why I try to avoid reading articles on this genre Otherwise, I could not get up in the morning.
There was the thing with Glenn and the dumpster, and the cliffhanger Negan –
I can categorically say that I will not return to the TV show.
What can you say about the planned movies?
We talked about Clint Eastwood's "Unforgiven," which I admire a lot. There is something about Eastwood, who he is as a gunslinger, as the iconic type of American hero, who was rolling himself in a pigmeat at the beginning of the movie. You know what he's capable of, and I thought that the idea of a character that the public knows and with whom he lived – and that oscillates between psychopath and father for nine years – to start in one place completely different, was really interesting, crazy place to start. I want to know why we still see helicopters flying. What is going on? What did adults do while we dragged ourselves in the mud?
By "adults", you mean governments and things like that?
I will not say more than that. I do not want to give in – well, I do not know the story, so I can not give anything.
Before "The Walking Dead", you were known for more civilized characters. Why was it interesting to play an American cowboy zombie fighter?
I grew up adoring American movies, and there is an American comedian style that I can not quite put my finger on what I admire. It is an increased naturalism. It's something I've seen in very good actors – you do not know what they're going to do or say.
Did you know what you were? I can not think of another TV actor who has suffered more physical torture than you.
Stay in this heat for 45 minutes. This is bonkers. I mean, I read what was on the label: a guy in a zombie apocalypse, losing all his friends and family. You know it will not be a walk in the park. But I thought the park might have been less hostile.
Your co-stars have talked about how you find yourself in front of the scenes, screaming and rolling on the floor. What are you talking about?
I do not know. I mean, what do you do when you write an article?
I do not roll on the ground!
Well, you should maybe try it! You could love. [Laughs.] If 200 people watching me have to empty my neck, because my wife has just been eaten by a zombie, I can do it in one way, that is to say, a tear stick, and have look sexy and be beautifully shot. Or I could try to scare myself into a different space. And the way I apparently need to do it, for me, is to make stupid noises. I do not care what it takes to get to a place. If I make fun of my mouth, that's how it'll be.
You talked about your fear at first. How long did it take you to overcome this?
I think that under the history, this helped. You had an actor who was terrified, waking up in a zombie apocalypse. I had just had a child, I had not slept, so I looked perfect. Franc [Darabont, the original showrunner] played a decisive role in the confidence that I was doing the right thing. We had a very, very close relationship – I admire him a lot and he's a great friend. The DNA of the series was his and continues to be his.
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Yes, it's the hardest thing I've had to deal with professionally. And I made a deal, because that's his thing, that I would never really talk about it. But it was, yes, as you can well imagine, when the guy who gave you the post was no longer the captain of the ship. It was a very strange thing.
Was there a period of adjustment?
I think we are adjusting again. Nine years. But Glen Mazzara stepped in and did an incredible job. And then Scott Gimple arrived and did an amazing job. And now we have Angela, and what she did in a relatively small space is great. I left it in a better place than I found it.
Have there been any twists or points of history that you do not agree with?
I'm sorry Glenn is going there. Because Steven Yeun was such an important part of the rhythm of my years. In fact, it's probably like you're in a group of boys – you only have each other as a point of reference. And then they start to take them away.
What did you think of Glenn's graphic design, Negan clubbed with the baseball bat until his eye came out of his orbit?
I regret how it happened. We are able to terrify people in a movie for 100 years without having to show an eye. When that happens, it diminishes what we are trying to do, which, in my opinion, is a family drama unfolding in hell. It's not a kind of gorefest of B-movie.
Violence is often extreme, however.
This is from time to time, with zombies and action sequences. I do not discredit that. This is part of the thrills of the show. But when it comes to losing someone – and a very brutal and human death – I think it's just taste. My taste is, I think it would be more disturbing to keep the camera on Maggie's face [Glenn’s wife, played by Lauren Cohan]. And maybe that's why I want to do it, because I want to do what I film in my head.
Do you think "The Walking Dead" is an optimistic show?
That's what I'm looking for. If we talk about being able to deal with and overcome grief, helping one another and unifying us through a shared traumatic experience, then yes, that's right. And it's also a story of people who have nothing in common, finding that they have something in common.
Another option is for people to come together to defend their way of life against invaders, undead and others.
I think it's up to everyone to interpret it as they wish. I think that under the world we inhabit [on the show]it's a hostile environment that people are trying to win. What do you think? Do you see this as a kind of isolationist? Or do you see this as a family story of how we are all together when we examine past differences?
I have always admired the diversity of actors and what it suggests regarding the connection between different environments. At the same time, there is factionalism and the metaphorical implications of zombies. I suppose that for people who think of those with whom they disagree or who live elsewhere as some kind of inhuman enemy, the series conveys the visceral thrill of watching people decimate each other.
You mean that zombies represent different ideas? Is this the metaphor?
Or different groups.
I have never seen this. I never thought of it as living dead. I mean, it's because I'm a professional zombie killer. I do not deal with metaphors when I kill zombies. But that's absolutely your prerogative.
I consider him optimistic. It's like Rick Grimes. He fights and struggles constantly. If he did not do it, he would not believe that there is hope for a better future. And in the end, I will try to make it the story we tell. I do not want to spend 15 years of my life and just say, yes, life is beautiful [bad]. We are alive, man. And while we are here, we have a chance, you know. That's what I think. I really like that and I like to think that Mr. Grimes is too.
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