This Is Us: Michael Angarano on the busy meeting of Jack and Nicky



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Warning: this story contains the details of the plot of "Vietnam", the episode of Tuesday That's us.

Little brother just made a large Entrance. Tuesday's episode That's us finally introduced us to the adult version of Jack's younger brother, Nicky, whose viewers (and the Pearson family) knew little about it, other than the fact that he had perished during the Vietnam War. From the beginning of the movie "Vietnam", it was clear that Nicky Pearson – the boy that Jack (Milo Ventimiglia) had always promised to protect – had become a man on the edge of the razor.

Fearing to be called to the service (but believing that it was inevitable, despite these "born of luck" assurances from Jack and his mother), Nicky looked with extreme sadness at the choice of his birthday at the beginning of the lottery. Jack led Nicky from Pittsburgh to the Canadian border to cross countries and avoid serving, but as he said in the overnight note he left behind – "It's my turn to save the day "- he changed his mind and resumed his duties. One year of service, however, and he had not made any savings. In fact, he was demoted to the lowest rank, as the Pearson family learned in Nicky's letters, which indicated a fierce struggle. It was so bad for Jack that he felt obliged to enlist, despite the irregularity of his heart. Eventually, gaining the right to visit his brother in his distant but close outpost, Jack announced his presence with a "Hey, little brother," while Nicky poured gasoline on a barrel of a barrel. excrement during latrine Hearing this familiar voice, Nicky threw a match into the barrel, igniting all the mess, turned to face Jack and the audience felt what Jack had done. Uh-oh.

What was that look on Nicky's face? Why did Nicky change his mind and responded to the call of the fight? What hell is waiting for it in the next episodes? EW asked Michael Angarano, the actor who plays Nicky, to stand for an interview. Here, the last member of the cast – whose credits include I'm dying here, The knick, and Will & Grace – guides you through the minefields waiting for Nicky and Jack.

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: So you get a call asking if you want to play Jack Pearson's brother, and your first answer is …?
MICHAEL ANGARANO:
Have they seen my work?[[[[Laughs.]I was really shocked, because I did not know it was going on or was talking about me. I received a call from my agent, then the next day I was talking to Isaac[Aptaker[Aptaker[Aptaker[AptakerTIU executive producer]on the phone about it very ambitious scenario, and he told me that Tim O'Brien was a consultant in the writers' room. I started reading the work of Tim O 'Brien, The things that they broughtand I was both impressed and curious as to how this series would handle this scenario because it was a very dark, sad and violent war. Showing this authentically on a television network is a huge challenge. This is not to say that I doubted it when I spoke on the phone with Isaac, but when I received the first script and saw that he had been written by [creator] Dan Fogelman and Tim O'Brien, I thought, "Oh, they really do!" I thought, "It's ambitious, but it's specific. "There is nothing that feels bad or forced. It was as if all this was part of the series from the first day, in a strange way. It was an important part of Jack's story to tell.

In this photo of Nicky in Vietnam who opens the episode, you can see that this man is suffering a lot. It's not the same man who went to war to do something himself. How serious is the situation?
It's terrible. It's something that me, Milo, Dan and [executive producer] Ken Olin and Tim O'Brien all talked a lot about: Where did Nicky go and where is he? He has been at war for a year and sends letters to his family saying, "I may not be successful here, but I will do it on my own terms." He sends suicidal letters to his sister. family, and I do not think he does it to attract attention. I think Nicky is on a course when Jack finds him.

What exactly is this look on his face? There seems to be anger and vulnerability, and maybe also, "This is Jack to save the situation."
Yes, I think it's complicated. Part of him is happy. I think there is also a part of him who wants it. Part of him is surprised by his presence. And I think that in an instant, even if he is in a completely foreign country, in a completely different empty space and in a physical shell, he probably has 21 years of fraternal dynamics in about three seconds. I think it's the whole range.

Jack read his letters and saw how the war changed Nicky, but does he even realize how broken Nicky is?
No, I do not think so. One of the nice things about this plot is that even though these two brothers are brothers who know each other very well, who respect and understand each other as men, because they grew up in the same focus and know what they have one and the other. On the other hand, Nicky's reaction to this war is unfathomable. Even to Jack.

I thought a lot about this sentence: "I will not get out of here alive, but I will not die according to anyone's conditions". How will this prove prophetic? As you said, suicide has implications, but perhaps also to go out in torches of glory while trying to play the hero.
Nicky has this tendency to feel this attraction of fate and he has made it to the lottery; he knew that he was going to go to Vietnam. He did it with Jack in Canada; he said, "I have to do it on my own terms." And he returned those letters. He has something hanging on his head. It's a very abstract idea, but I think it's something that's very much influenced by his past and the fact that he's Jack's little brother and he comes from the house where he comes from . It may be something that escapes his own understanding, but Nicky, as a human being, can understand that he really is the observer. While Jack is serious and present, Nicky thinks about time in an abstract way. And it is this meta-speech that is the concept of the episode, but it is also the concept of the series. If you see something in the end and you try to understand it backwards, I do not think you ever heard Jack say anything like that. It's this way of thinking reversed, and that way of thinking psychologically and intellectually, where Nicky is already at the end and where he's trying to see and understand the steps as he notices them.

Dan said Nicky's mystery would be resolved by the end of the season. At what date of the end of his life could we be?
He is taking a class, and it may be too late before Jack has arrived. There is one thing for sure – the man who [Jack] sees at the end of this episode is not his brother.

Nicky is literally 120 seconds from the absence of a repechage because he was born at 23:58. Jack is confident that he will not be recruited and his mother says, "You were born lucky." But Nicky is convinced he will be. He also says that Jack is like Superman and that is Lois Lane, who always needs to be saved. Is there an air of misery surrounding this character?
I would not call it bad luck, but it almost looks like he's looking at a picture of his life and that there's a lot of negative space, and he has to complete it. There is something in destiny or in his destiny that drives him to do this. Nicky has a big void in his father's life because he grew up in the same house he built, with a violent and alcoholic father. His brother has constantly taken care of him. I do not think Nicky knows who he is as a man. And his decision to go to Vietnam and this shoot what he feels about him is, in his mind, the only way to deal with many of his demons.

Everyone does not stop saying that he's so lucky to be born on the 18th, and then you see that time is running out and that there was more that a few contractions, all his life would have been different. How bad was the problem to be seen, especially when the episode was taking place in the reverse chronological order?
It's sort of a confirmation that Nicky's idea that this is perhaps his fate – he may be right. It's this feeling that those 120 seconds later, his life would have been saved. I do not think he knows it, but he feels it. Those 120 seconds are what weighs on his head.

NEXT PAGE: Angarano on what to expect in the next episode of Vietnam

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