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27 years after the events described in the first film, He: Chapter Two follows with the second half of King's opus – but not entirely. Dauberman explains that some characters had to be scaled down ("Even though it hurt me to do it") and that the ending also had to be changed ("It's probably the biggest gap we're taking in the novel "). In addition, he felt that it was time to further highlight the perceived sexuality and the love of another character ("I love this love story").
In the film, it is more than hinted that Richie, played in adulthood by Bill Hader and young by Finn Wolfhard, has a "secret" (something Pennywise threatens him with) and that he has an attraction for Eddie Kaspbrak, played as an adult by James Ransone and as a teenager by Jack Dylan Grazer. For example, at one point, Richie sculpts his initials in the wood, in the same way as a young dating couple. In another scene, Richie is intimidated and threatened after seeming to share a moment with a boy by passing him a coin in a video arcade. And Richie is inconsolable and completely denies when Eddie is killed. In the novel, the duo's relationship is that of two close friends, but ambiguous as to any romantic attraction. This has not been discussed in the 2017 film at all.
Meanwhile, the characters Tom Rogan, married to Bev (played by Will Beinbrink) and Audra Denbrough, married to Bill (played by Jess Weixler) occupy a more prominent place in the book and go to Derry in search of their spouses, but for different reasons.
Why was Richie Tozier's sexuality and love for Eddie Kaspbrak more present than the novel's ambiguity?
There is a subtext in the novel and Andy [Muschietti, director] and Barbara [Muschietti, producer] and I talked about it, but it did not seem like a choice, but just a natural part of his character. But I love this story of love. I think it's a special part of the movie and a special part of the character. Because it was like it was part of his character. I think we shot more, and it's more important in the movie. That's one of the many things that define it. The engraving of the initials: I congratulate Andy for that. It was a great way to reduce it.
The characters Audra and Tom are more integral parts of the novel, so why limit them in the movie?
I try to be as faithful as possible to the source material … I try to put everything in front, but you have to lose everything. And, unfortunately for Tom and Audra, I felt that they were two characters that we could lose and that people would not necessarily miss. Although it hurts me to do it, you just do not have the time to play with the characters as much as you can in the book, but you really want to waste time on our main characters.
Can you explain the decision to make the ending different from the novel?
It's probably the biggest departure we take from the novel. I knew we had to include the Chüd ritual, I knew that there had to be steps in this process. But I did not know how the contents of the book could have been played on the screen. to enter another realm, things like that. This has certainly been discussed, but it has become the most cinematic way to tell this without the public scratching their heads. The end of Stephen King is beautiful, but he also takes his time to explain the metaphysics behind all this. We did not have that time. So we had to summarize the key ingredients. I wanted to be faithful to the spirit of what King was looking for and I think we did it. That's how I found peace with departure.
Speaking of King, how did this cameo happen?
I had in the script "the shopkeeper, who looks a bit like Stephen King." You plant a seed and you hope it blooms. He had already made cameos, and I thought how great it would be if he could do it in this one.
What did you think about the run time of almost three hours?
I knew it was going to be a long movie. The studio knew it was going to be a long movie. I do not think there was a concern there. There was an idea that we do not want it to be four o'clock, but we know it will be longer than the first. The story justifies the time of execution. It did not happen feel long to us. In addition, there have been a number of films with long films this year that have been quite decent (Laughs.). We are in good company.
How much improvisation did Bill Hader do, if any?
I can tell you that I have not written any jokes to where I went: "I hope Bill sticks to the script." Andy does a lot of catch. Bill loves improvisation, so there are a lot of jokes in the movie that are his improvisations. But, there are also jokes that were in the script.
What was King's reaction to the final product?
We have been in contact. He said very beautiful things. And when you take a project like this, you just want the author, especially Stephen King, to like it. All the rest is sauce. I just want to make him proud because he has had such a strong influence in my life. It's the reward for me, just to know that he's also proud of these movies.
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