‘You are the arsonist here’: heated debate between NBC host, GOP senator

“You are the arsonist here,” Todd told Johnson, discussing the battles over voter fraud. “President Trump is the arsonist here. You lit that fire and now you say whoa, look at that, oh my god all these people believe what we told them because you didn’t have the guts to say the truth the election was fair. “

Johnson responded by accusing the mainstream media of working to overthrow Trump throughout his administration. “This fire started, you know, in January 2017,” he said.

The two thought they had “had enough” of these arguments, but then quickly came back to them.

Saying that Johnson had spent “the last two years hauling a lot of mad conspiracy water for President Trump,” Todd asked Johnson if his efforts to fight the certification of Electoral College results were “a cynical political ploy” .

“I’m trying to be transparent,” Johnson said, before citing an allegation of unverified election fraud from Nevada.

“Just because someone said it wasn’t,” Todd told him, later adding, “You must be wondering, when you tell people a million times that something has been stolen or that something was a fraud and they believe it, I think you have to look at yourself in the mirror. “

Johnson returned to an attack on the media: “I didn’t criticize Democrats when they talked about potential hacking of voting machines, but now it’s quackery and conspiracy theory. That’s the problem. , Chuck. There is a double standard, and we “don’t be transparent and dismiss the concerns of tens of millions of Americans. Again, I didn’t start this fire. This fire was started over four years ago and … you have destroyed the credibility of the media through you. “

Todd concluded by thanking Johnson for having the courage to be interviewed. “Thanks for coming. I appreciate it, ”he says.