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"What should I say to a woman who has a finger under every eye? She will say nothing, because you have already explained twice," – joked in the air of the chain of French television C8 popular presenter Tex. A few days later, he was fired. The joke of the host was not funny, not only on the part of ordinary spectators, but also Marlene Schiappa, state secretary for equality between women and men. Charismatic Marlene has embarked on great politics with a blog on the difficulties of motherhood. Today it is just called "Madam Minister", and by status and level of influence, it is likened to the rest of the government. Why does France consider gender issues as important? How much is a fine for a man who asked the woman a phone number 15 times? Why is there still a difference in salary according to bad? About all this – an exclusive interview with Onliner.by with the adviser of the Secretary of State for France on equality between women and men, Mathieu Pontecile.
Who is it?
Mathieu Pontekail is Special Advisor to the Secretary of State for the Equality of Women and Men, the second person in the department after Marlen Schiapp. He is engaged in strategic planning and communication with the media. He is married. Raises a son
"Sexual harbadment means all situations that create an atmosphere of insecurity for women"
– Members of the French National Assembly say that the attitude towards your Secretariat is the same as that of the Ministry and Marlen Schiappa has the same status and influence, as Minister. Is it true?
– Absolutely. Even the "Minister" is addressed to her. She is a member of the State Council, she goes to meetings with ministers, and so on. Marlen Schiappa is one of the most famous and beloved people in France. She is the first woman and the third person in the state of popularity. However, we can not call it a "radical feminist." There are even several organizations that directly criticize Marlen Schiapp for the fact that it could be more radical (19459005) (smiling – Note Onliner.by) .
– Many read it Twitter yes?
– Yes, indeed. This is the phenomenon of his generation – a unique ability to communicate in social networks
– How do you obey a woman, a man?
– We are equal. This is not an opposition, they say, on one side, women, on the other, men. We are together. This applies to the same salary level and so on. You can not make real equality without men. French President Emmanuelle Macron says openly that the most important for him today is gender equality. And he is also a man.
– Your secretariat takes care of equality between men and women. But is this still a problem for France?
– Yes. We work very hard on two subjects. The first is domestic violence and badual violence. Every three days in France, a woman dies while beating her husband. And these numbers do not decrease for a very long time. It is necessary to act actively for them to finally start to shrink.
A law is being prepared in parliament to impose sanctions against badual harbadment on the street. Soon, the police will be able to impose fines on offenders. Sexual harbadment refers to all situations that create an atmosphere of insecurity for women. For example, watch a woman, chase her down the street. Or ask for her phone number 15 times, even if she said "No!". Since the entry into force of the law, the police in such a situation may intervene and impose a fine of 90 € to the offender. If a person repeatedly violates the law, the amount can increase to 1500 €.
But here the question is not even in the fines, but in the public understanding of what is possible and what is not. Harbadment is absolutely forbidden.
– Opponents of such laws always invoke such an argument: the punishment for harbadment will make flirtation and the court disappear. What do you think?
– The harbadment is not romantic at all. You must understand the difference between flirting and harbadment. For example, if an unknown man approaches a woman and tells her, "You are very beautiful," and she agrees to continue the conversation, will answer, "Oh, thank you, I'm very happy" – it's excellent. But the key point here is that she herself agrees to continue the conversation. The punishment for harbadment will lead to a situation that, on the contrary, will become cleaner.
– If a man in the elevator looks at the woman's chest, is it considered badual harbadment in France?
– No A woman should say, "No, stop looking!"
– What if the man continues?
– There are no police officers in the elevator (smiling – Note Onliner.by). Therefore, here the question of education, not the police. We work very hard with the Ministry of Education. We are engaged in education issues. In September, for example, we will launch a major social advertising campaign for witnesses of violence. There will be a lot of commercials on TV. Until now, unfortunately, I can not show the video to your readers: it will only officially come out in the fall. But here, for example, a video of our past campaign:
[Надпись на экране: 1. Он терся о молодую девушку в автобусе. Ему грозит: 5 лет тюрьмы, штраф 75 000 евро. 2. Он выложил фотку своей бывшей голой в социальные сети. Ему грозит: 2 года тюрьмы, штраф 60 000 евро. 3. Он дотронулся до попы женщины, поднимавшейся по лестнице. Ему грозит: 5 лет тюрьмы, штраф 75 000 евро. 4. Он силой поцеловал подругу на вечеринке. Ему грозит: 5 лет тюрьмы, штраф 75 000 евро. 5. Он оскорбил женщину словом «сука» потому, что она носила юбку. Ему грозит: 6 месяцев тюрьмы, штраф 22 500 евро.] By September, we will be making four videos that will show the situation of violence in transportation, at school, at home and at home. job. This campaign against violence costs 4 million euros – it's our biggest campaign. Previously, these videos were aimed at those who had already been victims of violence. This time we change the angle – we turn to witnesses. Inaction in such a situation is equated with participation. And it is still a matter of culture, a slow change of mentality through communication, law, rules, education. "" In France, it is forbidden to pay a woman less than a man "
Secretariat.The second of them is the issue of the difference in salary. according to various sources, in France there is between 9 and 27% of the difference between the wages of men and women.We have introduced a bill currently in preparation.It is essential that employers will be required to calculate and publish data on the pay gap between their employees – men and women – and then for three years – until 2022 – to make this difference disappear. C & Is very important In France, it is forbidden to pay a woman less than a man for the last 45 years.And yet this happens.The new law obliges employers to balance wages – Another question on the topic of domestic violence Tell me, TV presenter T ex was fired for a joke about the two bulbs at Marlen Schiapp's initiative? – No, it's not quite true. In fact, the TV channel has long wanted to evict Tex. He has been warned many times, because he's repeatedly allowed such jokes. And we must understand the context of the event that has happened. Tex made a joke about bruising the day after President Emmanuel Macron declared the importance of the fight for the equal rights of women and men and declared a minute of silence in memory women victims of domestic violence. After Tex's joke, there were many calls to Marlen Schiapp. French and French women were shocked. People said that it was terrible, it should not be on the air. And Marlene herself thinks so, it's not funny at all. You can not pretend that violence is a trifle, an excuse to joke. After that, the TV channel decided to chase Tex itself In summary, I can say that we must fight the myth of gender equality, which already exists in France. Many people, for example, think that there are a large number of women who hold high positions in the state – the post of minister, etc. But this is not true. Equality does not exist yet. Reprinting text and photographs from Onliner.by is prohibited without permission of the editorial office. [email protected]
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