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A year after announcing his retirement, Kaka took stock of his career by interviewing the "Great Circle" show, broadcast on Saturday (29) on SporTV. Sabinho de Milton Leite, Cleber Machado, Caio Ribeiro, Mauricio Noriega, Barbara Coelho, Tino Marcos and André Rizek, the last Brazilian to be voted the best player in the world (in 2007) talked about his visits to São Paulo, Milan, Real Madrid and the Brazilian team.
Kaká quotes the 2002 World Cup as his biggest title – "even though he played only 23 minutes in the first round match" and explains that the big defeats have been an apprenticeship . The midfielder also explained his relationship with coaches Carlo Ancelotti and José Mourinho, with whom he worked in Milan and Real Madrid.
The main excerpts from the program are as follows:
- The announcement that I would marry the trip
– Today, I would do things differently. There are certain things that today, especially with social networks, with the platforms where you are the communicator and end up reaching a lot of people, we should really keep the confidentiality. I do not regret the way I arrived at my wedding [virgem] but today, I would keep a little more, to protect me from speculation or jokes, things that are really useless.
– I did not really expect it. Because when I left Sao Paulo, the president of the time, Paulo Amaral, said to me: "Do you know who occupies your position in Milan?" I said, "I know." It was Rivaldo and Rui Costa. But I arrived in Milan and [técnico Carlo] Ancelotti preferred to stay in Milan the first year. And then I arrived, I had opportunities and things happened at a speed that I did not expect either. I arrived in the first match against Ancona where I started. I played most games that year, Milan won the Scudetto and I was chosen among the best in the league. It was faster than I had imagined.
– 2002 World Cup. Even after playing only 23 minutes against Costa Rica. I even think that's my shirt number. But the World Cup is very big, it's very cool. Then I played two other Copas, I fought to go to the fourth. It is very difficult to play in a cup. Every four years, you do not know what conditions will be met. Even though I did not participate very well at the age of 20, I could say that I was world champion with the national team …
- Almost gone for Manchester City in 2008
– I do not regret not being gone. By that time, I would be the first element of a new project that Manchester City is now a great European club. There is the Premier League champion who is the most difficult league and fights every year in the Champions League among the best. Today, we can say that the project worked. But at that moment, my choice was to stay in Milan and six months later I ended up going to Real Madrid. I do not regret it, my choice was correct, reasonable for the moment. Maybe today would make it different.
– I came a lot further than I could imagine. To my mind, in my head, I wanted to be a professional player from São Paulo and wear the shirt of the selection once he was. For example, I've never dreamed of being the best player in the world, but events have happened and a moment has come for me to dream. I am very happy, very grateful to my career. If I could understand what would be the ideal career, I would suffer some injuries, including knees and hips, and spend a few years in the Premier League to play.
– Eliminations in the 2006 and 2010 Cups, a semi-final of the Champions League that Real Madrid lost on penalties for Bayern Munich and the Istanbul final, which Milan lost to Liverpool . These are the four defeats of my career, which always burn a little. But that's the case. These are the defeats that have taught me a lot throughout my life and my career. One of those defeats against Liverpool in 2005 has taught me that winning or losing is out of my control. We had won 3-0 in the Champions League final and in six minutes we had a draw with one of the best defenses in the history of football. And lose to penalties. So winning or losing is far from my control. What I can do is increase the odds. And those who are part of the selection are doomed because the Cup will take place in four years and you do not know what conditions will happen, you do not know and you will not dispute another Cup.
– All the players of this selection were protagonists in their clubs and had everything for this selection to go further. At least to challenge the final. France was great too, Zidane was one of the protagonists of this world. But I think this selection could have done a little more. […] At one point, someone who had spoken was perhaps missing [sobre a bagunça]. The difficult thing in this particular situation is that when you are in this particular situation, you really see what all this mess is about. So, in the years to come, we will be able to badyze better. At the time, from the inside, it's harder to badyze because you're involved in this moment of the World Cup.
– 2010 is the detail of the game. You get both goals here. The first Julio Cesar [tromba] with Felipe Melo, two members of the same team, here is a detail of the game. Because the first half was excellent, the goal of Robinho, I hit a ball, plated there , that the guardian defends, two or three other occasions that we had. There in the second half, two details of the bullet stopped. It is very difficult to say what was missing. It's a game too. […] This selection won everything that was played at that time, except the World Cup. In a four-year cycle, he won the qualifiers in Argentina. He won the Copa America, the Confederations Cup … All he could win, he won. And in the Cup, loses in the details of the match. And I bring this into this mug now. The selection was prepared as it should, it did everything it should, then we saw a clbad in the quarterfinals, Brazil and Belgium, both coaches, with a very high technical level. And here it is game. Thiago's bullet hits the beam and goes away. Kompany's ball hits Fernandinho and enters.
– One of the recipes I've learned in football is to mix experience and youth. Where I went with this mix, it worked very well and it worked very well. This is especially true in my early years in Milan. When I arrive there with Cafu, Maldini, Shevchenko, an already experienced band, overcoming … And I arrive my boy. When you do not have someone at home who cuts your wings when you want to grow up, that's the guy who cuts in the locker room. It is therefore essential to have this mixture. And then, to say if that was missing or not, I think it could have helped to have a more experienced player in this situation.
- Neymar as the only protagonist of Brazil
– It's a weight for him, mainly. For the selection, I do not think it's a problem. Because who is there in the World Cup, the guy feels the responsibility. The protagonist can not leave Neymar because he is the protagonist, he will remain so for a few years, for the athlete he is. For other athletes, what we can say is that maybe they are not protagonists in their clubs and you may be able to have some weight. But the selection itself does not feel it. We saw the Alemannais champions here in 2014 without a big protagonist. But then there was the most important group that was a very strong group. So you have a very strong band, with a protagonist like Neymar, that makes all the difference. It is here that we Brazilians are used to seeing many protagonists. It's a bit of ours, cultural, feeling a little lack, this need, that the selection has more protagonists.
– I have always talked about my faith, she has always been public because I could not separate the Kaka staff from the professional Kaka. That turned out to be a great virtue for me. Because the people who see me here, talking, will know that it's the same person as the one behind the cameras. It helped me a lot. I've always had oppositions, criticisms about it. The choice I made, I would be criticized by some people. So why do I want to be criticized? That's the choice we have to make. Criticism will come anyway. Or because she's a party girl, or because she never leaves. And in this case, it was worth it, because it was who I am, who I am. And for me it has always been so easy to talk, because that's what I really am. And when I learned to choose what I wanted to criticize, it helped me a lot.
– It's a pity to take the newspaper and read a review. The football players grow up learning that the journalist is a betrayal. The day I realized that the reporter could be my friend, it was a liberation. Often, the criticism that they address to you, and the one that bothers you most, is the one that has a real background. And there is another side that is that of lying. It bothers a lot, bother you more. And it's bad when you get up in the morning, you take the paper and you have a bad grade, chronic, play, it bothers you a lot. I spent three years in Madrid picking up a lot of things. I was very educated.
– I had the belief that it would work, that it was even something extraordinary. Today, I am doing this debate and sometimes I put it at home when it takes a lot of time to make a decision. As he is persistent and stubborn. I do not know if I was stubborn or persistent. I think I was persistent, I went as far as possible, to my limit. And then, in the 2013-2014 season, with the arrival of Ancelotti, President Florentino [Pérez] wanted to renew himself with basic players, new players to come, and Ancelotti was very clear with me: "Look, the president asked us to use this strategy this year." And I told him: "Sir, I have to play because I want to play in the 2014 World Cup." And the best option was for me to leave.
– In the real world, it was continuity. First, in terms of injury. The first year, at six months, I have a hip problem. Then I push, I arrive on the eve of the World Cup, I have a wound to the adductor. I present myself a little before [da Copa de 2010] in Curitiba, I do all the treatment. After the cut, I operate the knee, I stopped six months all around. Then when I come back, there is Mourinho. My problem with Real Madrid is continuity. First by physical problem, injury, then by choice of coach. I spent three years trying to convince Mourinho that I could have more opportunities. That was his choice, it was out of my control. What I did was to be an excellent professional. And today, it is with great joy that I can arrive at Real Madrid and that the doors are open. Florentino said I was one of the most professional athletes there.
– No problem. I went to Manchester in case of sponsorship, I stayed in the same hotel as him and we stayed two hours to discuss. At various times, we disagreed with Real Madrid. Because I thought I had to play and he did not think so. But it was a very respectful disagreement. At no time did I reprimand myself "I got out of there" and I did not go out to make statements about the coach. "It's your choice, I think you might have another choice, I think I have a chance to play.Now you make a choice …" It was his choice. He did not have the argument. And at that time, the team was so good that I did not have much argument either. "You will not play because you are going to play Ozil." "Okay, sir, alright, I think I can play and contribute an important role.Ozil is a great player.I am here available." […] Mourinho, it's exactly what we see on the cameras. In an instant, it is explosive.But it is an extremely intelligent guy, very prepared. So what we see in the interviews is all prepared, planned, he knew exactly what he was going to say.Prepared, strategic.The problem that I had with him was one of choice.I thought his choice at that time did not suit me. For the team it worked, won the Spanish Championship,
– Cristiano is a fantastic guy, really, every day, it's a guy to 10 points, he's super nice with everyone, he has a lot to do with the Champions League. It's a guy who knows what it's all about. In the athletes' locker room, we know what it looks like. This vanity, everyone stood up, played. I asked someone to buy the phone and distribute it to the staff who worked at the club. Very basic things from day to day, but he showed a lot of the human being that he is. […] He always helped me a lot, whenever he could in interviews, he helped me, encouraged me. The athletes present saw the sacrifice I made to play. I have never had a problem with any of them. Throughout my career, I have never had a problem with anyone.
In the Grand Circle, Kaká revisited his career and chose the best moments – Foto: Reproducção
– Today, seen from the outside, my first option is to be sports director, so I'm getting ready.I want by football to learn about others. Today, I am a management course in the sport of the FGV.I have taken a course on sport in the US I wish this sport to expand to other areas.Finance, marketing, everything else, through what I really understand, it's the game .I can therefore decide the way forward. ur, I want to go back to the game, for the weekend. Today, I am around football, event, sponsor. But one day, I want to go to the game myself, as a coach or as a director. Coach is not my first choice, but I do not rule out it in two or three years. Watching my son play today gives me a little hunch.
- Prejudice to be "different"
– No, at no time, no prejudice. Many for the help that my parents have brought about this. I lived very close to Morumbi. The boys who were staying could not go home on weekends. They lived outside and did not have this condition. And my parents took these boys home. There were so many of them, the Sheikh Emerson, the other day, gave this statement another day, who frequented my house. I would play, I would not go back to Rio and not stay at home. And he was already working at the time (laughs). My father was a civil engineer. I am a middle clbad. The people who stayed in the concentration would take us home. My mother would cook them a meal and they would come back Sunday night, because Monday had a workout routine. Today, the situation of the vast majority is that there is no other choice. You have to be a football player to bring food to five brothers for the parents. I had this option.
– He continues to make excellent players. He must make the jump from the good player to the one who will be at the top of the world ranking and the Brazilian selection. We can improve that, but it is only what we already have. I think the Brazilian championship is very competitive, good names, excellent matches, but disorganized. Even though I have been here for six months, I think it is complicated. Everything, the schedule, the games, the relationship of the clubs with the fans, I find everything very rough. The coolest thing would be to professionalize the clubs, turn them into companies. It would be the best way, the responsibility of the clubs, that will run the clubs. This would help a lot for the future of Brazilian football.
- – I think that a half-table, I would say, one of the top three leagues.
- What would the Brazilian champion Palmeiras be in the big European leagues? Italy, Spain and England.
- Tottenham would be champion in Brazil?
– I believe so. Tottenham would be.
– I know exactly what my limits are. Of the five Brazilians who were the best in the world, I'm probably not the most talented of them. Now, I'm probably one of the most professional of all. I have always understood my limits and my virtues. I am in this transition from Zidane's more plastic football to this more modern, more physical football. I think I have seized this moment of transition. And I have already gone a little more for this physics too. I understood the need to have a bigger dynamic of play. Because it is only by the talent that I would not solve, like many others that we have in Brazil, that spend all the match there and, in a genius, solve the match. I realized that I had to run more than those guys.
– Ancelotti. He was the coach with whom I had the best results. He tried to please everyone because of the interest of the team, the club. Wherever he goes, he demonstrates it a little. And the player also plays for the coach. He plays the player for him.
And the player who influenced me the most is Maldini. He was captain of the team, his driving as a captain … When I got there, he already had three or four titles in the Champions League. And his desire to train every day was the same, identical. He knew the time to beat a player, the time to beat the club, the time to beat the press, the time it took to beat the fan. And I saw Maldini beat a coach. We arrived at the Milan airport when returning the match match in Istanbul against Liverpool. Our flight landed at the same time as the fans. And we went together to the airport and began to swear: "You can not lose the game that way." It was the first one, got up, [Maldini] went there and said: "who is your boss?". He went there, sat down with the guy and talked. "You have seen what we do, such, stopped, arrived, everyone at home". The driving I saw from Maldini was the one that influenced me the most, both on the ground and off.
– I was 14 years old. This tour for me is very good. I do not feel safe, I know the security problems in our country. But I do not feel lack of security to stop in front of a lighthouse and think of a robbery. Of course, I do not minimize the problem of violence in Brazil. We must learn to potentiate what is good in the country. Living outside, I've seen that the first world countries also have a lot of bad things, but they know how to value what they have good. Let us serve as an example to value what is good without ever forgetting what we need to improve.
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