"Served for 88 years and will stop serving?" Says the Minister of Labor about the extinction of pasta



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BRASÍLIA – O
Minister of Labor
, Caio Vieira de Mello, decided to react to the decision of the future government of President-elect Jair
Bolsonaro
of
extinguish
the dough and cut it into three departments. In an interview with GLOBO on Monday afternoon, Mello sharply criticized the decision made at the first public event of a minister of President Michel Temer in open opposition to the transitional work carried out by the composed team President-elect Jair Bolsonaro.

The last Minister of Labor likely said that the end of the portfolio could be considered unconstitutional, that the measure did not respect international conventions and that this could lead to Brazil being included in lists of degrading works with direct repercussions on Brazilian exports. In addition, according to Mello, the resources of the FGTS and the Workers' Assistance Fund (FGTS) are "untouchable" and you can not "play here or here".

The Minister stated that no one from the transition had asked for it, nor did the future Minister of Justice, Sergio Moro, respond to a request for a meeting on matters of briefing. "I am isolated here, the last of the Mohicans," said the minister. Here are the main excerpt from the interview:

Minister Onyx Lorenzoni announced the abolition of the Ministry of Labor. You may be the last minister in charge of a file created 88 years ago. What is the position?

It is fascinating to be the last minister (in an ironic tone) to enter history as the last. The division of the ministry is worrying because these secretariats are all interconnected. If the system is changed in a very radical way, the institutional functions can be altered. And I see that with this drain, the department loses its reason for being, which would entail a repercussion of several senses. The Federal Constitution itself states that when you modify the problems concerning the manpower, the economic category or the professional category, article 10, they must be heard. The change of ministry is provided by law. There will be a big debate in Congress. I hope that in this discussion, common sense will prevail and that the department will remain integrated. That's what I hope President Bolsonaro will think about the future.

But why should there be such a discussion in Congress?

This extinction can not exist by decree. Let's go in the Constitution, Article 88. I would need a temporary measure to do all that. The member will deal, may be approved or not. Imagine if this is not approved, if it breaks down? It's going to be a mess. There is enormous harm to social law, which needs to be better badessed by President Bolsonaro. I'm going to talk to him or whoever he is, he tells me.

Have you ever been searched?

No.

Per person?

Per person. I am isolated here. The last of the Mohicans.

The transition made no gesture, did not send a job, something like that?

There was an exchange asking to indicate servers. I will return a letter saying the actions of the department. It was an e-mail, even.

In your opinion, should you be interested in a discussion of departmental division?

I joined the Ministry of Labor as a technician. I have 50 years of life with social law. As incompetent as I can be, something I can present. The fact that they do not want to talk to me is not justified.

Why have not you been researched?

Perhaps by measures taken here, of order …

Does this have to do with the process of administrative discipline (PAD) open to investigate the former server of the Pablo Tatim ministry, which is now part of the transition?

Maybe. It's a hindrance. My conversation with Tatim is an obstacle because I would never accept it. He would not argue with him at all.

The division of the ministry would be unconstitutional?

Cutting can exist, there can be extinction of the ministry, there can be everything. But you need a law and, before that, listen to the stakeholders in open court. Occupational categories, workers and employers must be heard. For example, surveillance of forced labor would remain where? Will you have an order?

For the project presented by Minister Onyx, he would stay with Minister Sergio Moro at the Ministry of Justice.

And the technique, and what's going on, what's going to happen? What about the 400,000 dead cases that need to be tried? Minister Moro is a lawyer, he will preach the right of defense. Are you going to go through all this? Three thousand notices of offense are prescribed each month. I've already requested an audience with Moro, until today, there was no answer. The union problem needs to be reformed. A discussion would never be at the Ministry of Justice. It would be here. We need to think clearly about trade union reform. Since I have been here, no union letter has been sent and a full report of the emissions resulting from the letters sent over the past five years is in progress. Will we send all this to the Department of Justice? You can stop the service until you adapt. Does the president want that? I do not believe it. Not even Dr. Sergio Moro. No one who has a legal conscience will want it.

Where would be the unconstitutionality of the Ministry's extinction?

If he does not respect the rule of Article 10 and that of Article 88 of the Constitution, there will be one. There, he determines a way to change, to extinguish, to create a ministry. I sincerely believe that we will always have the opportunity to speak to a person designated by President Bolsonaro by the end of his term. The FGTS and the FAT (Workers Assistance Fund), although they have a net worth of nearly R $ 1 trillion … are an illusion. You can not play with her. The equity of workers is untouchable. There is no availability, although it is attractive. It is an extremely technical thing, which must be extremely vigilant, which can not play here or here. The audit of the Guarantee Fund's collection is audited on a financial level. Does this separate things? One goes to Fazenda and the other to the Ministry of Justice? And the mechanisms for collecting this information?

Do you see a problem in sending the administration of FAT and FGTS to the Ministry of Economy Paulo Guedes?

This has nothing to do with the Ministry of the Economy. The FGTS is the equity of the Brazilian worker. He collects that and he settles. I do not think President Bolsonaro talked about confiscation. I do not believe it.

But do you believe that there could be a measure in this sense?

I can not believe it, I do not think so. This is unthinkable. The money does not come from the state. The state is a manager. The money comes from the Brazilian worker. Both funds are already committed. How are you going to play it? Incidentally, for unemployment insurance, the government has already put money into it.

What is your opinion on the transition of the government, with regard to the department which commands

I can not even have an opinion because I did not even want it. I do not think I have a lot of importance. My feeling is this. I will continue until the last day, as promised to President Temer, taking the ministry to the best of my abilities. How are you going to qualify for citizenship? They are not specialists in vocational training, which is quite different from normal teaching. You must check the need of the company.

The division of the ministry lacks respect for international conventions?

Absolutely. It has 144 and 160 of the ILO (International Labor Organization), Brazil has ratified. The text creates mechanisms for the maintenance of organizations for the preservation of social rights. And the Ministry of Labor is the heart of social law. In fact, a ministry created by the army, by the 1930s regime. It was 88 years old. Served 88 years and will you stop serving?

Did you search for soldiers in the vicinity of the elected president?

I do not know, I did not look for anyone. I have work here to do.

Have you ever pbaded on this dissatisfaction to President Temer?

I did not speak to him. In fact, one day,
by the way
, said: "And this case to finish?" He said, "Touch, take it." I am a minister of the Temer government, I am not a minister of another government.

If the transitional group wants to talk to you …

I am open. Call me.

Do you want to sit down with Pablo Tatim, transition manager to participate in the design of the ministries?

No. Not with him. He is not a qualified person. There is already a natural wear, it would not be good for me or for him. With others yes, as long as they have the level to talk to me.

Do you believe that Bolsonaro can give up the cup?

It would not be the first time that this would happen. I've already taken, already "thrown". When the president left the TST (Higher Labor Court), he declared that he would stay. Things must be clarified. I am ready to clarify. I have already made two trips abroad. I had two meetings with the ILO Director-General, who wanted to include Brazil in the dirty list of socially inadequate work. This was not included, but now I do not know how it will stay. We had to hold. If anything goes in that direction, a measure of the ILO will have an impact even in international trade. When President Bolsonaro has learned everything, he will think. All he has to do is bring in a technician, a well-meaning person involved in social law.

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